Author Topic: Ego Score Abuse? (Read 7886 times)

telehax · « **on:** October 23, 2009, 07:10:22 AM »

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/magicItems/specialPurposeItems.htm#itemEgo

You might be wondering how we can abuse this. Well the simple idea would be to control others with magic items. Enter <i>Fiend of Possession</i>. By possessing an item, an FoP, "becomes part of the object". This would mean that not only does this allow one to play a magic object, all of one's special abilities contribute to the item's ego score.
Next, we need to ensure we get an intelligent item. The item familiar feat seems well suited for this. The bonuses from the item will work for any host if the item(you) let it.
We should also add to this by adding as many abilities to the item as possible. Legacy items work well, especially a custom legacy item. Legacy item abilities <i>also</i> work for others, though they receive negative levels, shouldn't be too much of an issue...

Final result? A item which will take complete control of anyone who so much as touches it, with an insanely high save DC. Now you only need to somehow get yourself into someone's hands, shouldn't be too hard if you're creative enough.

awaken DM golem · « **Reply #1 on:** October 24, 2009, 04:29:18 PM »

hmm ... interesting

Here's the rest of it: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/intelligentItems.htm
An Ego score of 19 gets you the auto try to dominate feature going.
PAO twice, the first time into something with high Int, the second to turn it back into the item.
Before that, pick or hope the Wis and Cha are the higher scores.

Telepathic ability - doesn't have to be just the table version, you could get a cheap limited Telepath Item added on.
Read languages ability - again an Item version via spell, would be cheaper.
Read magic ability - again an Item version via spell, would be cheaper.

Looks like those are the less expensive jack-ups, then you are back to whatever the Int Item stuff goes.

You need to be able to reliably beat the DC yourself, to be able to use it.

" ... It apparently isn't a mind affecting effect, so it bypasses traditional immunities ..."
Nice find !!

ksbsnowowl · « **Reply #2 on:** October 24, 2009, 08:03:26 PM »

This concept was dealt with in the Eberron adventure "Whispers of the Vampire's Blade" (which is the book that sold me on Eberron, btw).

An agent of the King of Breland was investigating a vampire in Sharn. The vampire got the drop on him, turned him, and then sent him to steal an intelligent Karrnathi Sword captured during the last war. The sword took control of him (he could only resist on a nat 20) and fled toward Karrnath, despite his vampiric lord's commands.

No real info about mechanics, just evidence that it does work against all creature types regardless of immunities.

telehax · « **Reply #3 on:** October 25, 2009, 01:47:49 AM »

" Unlike most magic items, intelligent items can activate their own powers without waiting for a command word from their owner."

Teehee. Under a strict reading this'd only apply to the stuff on the tables. But then again.... Psionic Powers anyone?

I'm not well versed in Fiend of Possession tactics, does anyone know any good base races for this purpose?

Anklebite · « **Reply #4 on:** October 25, 2009, 01:59:21 AM »

generally, people pick davati with the savage species ritual. LA+1, and you get two fiends of possesion instead. hell, shove em both in the same weapon, and have one try to possess the person who touches it.

telehax · « **Reply #5 on:** October 25, 2009, 02:36:19 AM »

Does anyone know if it's possible to forcibly sleight of hand a sword into someone else's possession?

:P:P

Tonymitsu · « **Reply #6 on:** October 25, 2009, 02:43:57 AM »

Well Sleight of Hand is used to plant objects on a person without their knowledge.

I could see slipping a dagger into someone's coat. 99% of people would at least touch the thing before throwing it away.

telehax · « **Reply #7 on:** October 25, 2009, 02:58:45 AM »

I wonder if it would be prudent to use the item familiar bonus skill ranks into sleight of hand. With that kind of bonus on sleight of hand you could probably sneak a greatsword onto someone's person. Heheh.

PhaedrusXY · « **Reply #8 on:** October 25, 2009, 03:12:08 AM »

Quote from: telehax on October 25, 2009, 02:58:45 AM

I wonder if it would be prudent to use the item familiar bonus skill ranks into sleight of hand. With that kind of bonus on sleight of hand you could probably sneak a greatsword onto someone's person. Heheh.

The stupidest thing about Sleight of Hand... failure only means that they notice.

JaronK · « **Reply #9 on:** October 25, 2009, 05:20:35 AM »

I've pulled similar tricks with a Dread Necromancer. Their Ghostly Visage familiar has an ego score (like an intelligent item). This usually doesn't matter, as it's your familiar and thus likes you. But if you put it in someone else's head, they have to do what you want or become possessed. As an added bonus, your familiar's ego score goes up because of your familiar abilities. Furthermore, you can lower the target's will save with abilities like Sickening Grasp and Fear Aura. Lots of fun!

JaronK

awaken DM golem · « **Reply #10 on:** October 25, 2009, 04:28:39 PM »

Hey, my Kitty is NOT a Ghostly Visage.

Now did I say that, or did my kitty make me say that ? (I watched the Matrix last night)

jseah · « **Reply #11 on:** October 25, 2009, 07:56:46 PM »

You could animate item (permanency) then Awaken Construct on it for even more mental stats. Plus up it's hardness via the various tricks used to create that indestructible flying cube. (Hardness over 100?)

telehax · « **Reply #12 on:** October 26, 2009, 01:05:36 AM »

I'm pretty sure animating it would no longer make it an object to be possessed...

As for upping its hardness.... Eh lets use riverine instead.

Bauglir · « **Reply #13 on:** October 26, 2009, 01:24:55 AM »

You're gonna want to put an antimagic field on there, too, just to guard against disintegrate. Ideally, multiple antimagic fields, in case of disjunction.

telehax · « **Reply #14 on:** October 26, 2009, 04:06:31 AM »

I'm pretty sure antimagicking away all your bonuses is a bad idea.

But putting on the spellblade enchantment would work versus disintegrate. Plus legacy items are specifically repairable even from disintegration.

As for disjunction... eh. You can make a will save. Maybe snag the counterspelling legacy ability.

PlzBreakMyCampaign · « **Reply #15 on:** October 26, 2009, 11:54:10 AM »

I like this. That is all.

telehax · « **Reply #16 on:** October 26, 2009, 01:51:18 PM »

My life feels so fulfilled now that you've expressed your approval.
But seriously, thanks.

Does anyone know any good base creatures for Fiend of Possession which don't require 56k to play? I know this build doesn't really need money for anything else but when you want to enter a PrC at level 6 it helps if it's viable WBL-wise.

Nanshork · « **Reply #17 on:** October 26, 2009, 03:07:40 PM »

Quote from: telehax on October 26, 2009, 01:51:18 PM

My life feels so fulfilled now that you've expressed your approval.
But seriously, thanks.

Does anyone know any good base creatures for Fiend of Possession which don't require 56k to play? I know this build doesn't really need money for anything else but when you want to enter a PrC at level 6 it helps if it's viable WBL-wise.

Kaorti IIRC.

Lycanthromancer · « **Reply #18 on:** October 26, 2009, 09:24:14 PM »

Quote from: telehax on October 26, 2009, 01:51:18 PM

My life feels so fulfilled now that you've expressed your approval.
But seriously, thanks.

Does anyone know any good base creatures for Fiend of Possession which don't require 56k to play? I know this build doesn't really need money for anything else but when you want to enter a PrC at level 6 it helps if it's viable WBL-wise.

What about an unbodied?

Bauglir · « **Reply #19 on:** October 26, 2009, 10:46:09 PM »

Doesn't it need the [Evil] subtype?

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