Author Topic: The Unofficial Artificer Player's Guide 3.0 (Read 136326 times)

McPoyo · « **Reply #20 on:** October 10, 2009, 08:32:45 PM »

Quote from: Dusk Eclipse on October 10, 2009, 03:11:57 PM

Not sure if it is optimal since I don't know if it is possible but I recall reading somewere that a warforged artificer could craft himself as a component a bag of holding type III I think inside its chest and use it as a working space for its dedicated wrights

Until he ends up in another extra-dimensional location and gets cast asunder across the astral...

Dusk Eclipse · « **Reply #21 on:** October 11, 2009, 12:56:09 AM »

Quote from: McPoyo on October 10, 2009, 08:32:45 PM

Quote from: Dusk Eclipse on October 10, 2009, 03:11:57 PM
Not sure if it is optimal since I don't know if it is possible but I recall reading somewere that a warforged artificer could craft himself as a component a bag of holding type III I think inside its chest and use it as a working space for its dedicated wrights

Until he ends up in another extra-dimensional location and gets cast asunder across the astral...

Care to elaborate? I think I saw in the guide the usefulness of using a portable hole to set up the alchemical lab so I don't know how making a bag of holding into a component for warforged is different

McPoyo · « **Reply #22 on:** October 11, 2009, 12:58:26 AM »

Quote from: Dusk Eclipse on October 11, 2009, 12:56:09 AM

Quote from: McPoyo on October 10, 2009, 08:32:45 PM
Quote from: Dusk Eclipse on October 10, 2009, 03:11:57 PM
Not sure if it is optimal since I don't know if it is possible but I recall reading somewere that a warforged artificer could craft himself as a component a bag of holding type III I think inside its chest and use it as a working space for its dedicated wrights

Until he ends up in another extra-dimensional location and gets cast asunder across the astral...

Care to elaborate? I think I saw in the guide the usefulness of using a portable hole to set up the alchemical lab so I don't know how making a bag of holding into a component for warforged is different

Bag of holding inside bag of holding/portable hole/rope trick spell/ etc.

Dusk Eclipse · « **Reply #23 on:** October 11, 2009, 01:04:28 AM »

And why making a bag of holding a warforged component counts as a bag of holding inside a bag of holding and furthermore IIRC that restiction only aplies to a portable hole inside a bag of holding and viceversa

McPoyo · « **Reply #24 on:** October 11, 2009, 05:02:42 PM »

Quote from: Dusk Eclipse on October 11, 2009, 01:04:28 AM

And why making a bag of holding a warforged component counts as a bag of holding inside a bag of holding and furthermore IIRC that restiction only aplies to a portable hole inside a bag of holding and viceversa

It isn't that it counts as being inside one when you make it a component, it's if a warforged with a component like that steps/climbs into a BoH, Portable Hole, Kobold relic portable hole, etc.

Check the spell description for Rope Trick, and a lot of the other "slip away into a pocket dimension" spells. A lot of them have restrictions on portable hole/bags of holding.

Emy · « **Reply #25 on:** October 11, 2009, 10:36:23 PM »

Quote from: McPoyo on October 11, 2009, 05:02:42 PM

Quote from: Dusk Eclipse on October 11, 2009, 01:04:28 AM
And why making a bag of holding a warforged component counts as a bag of holding inside a bag of holding and furthermore IIRC that restiction only aplies to a portable hole inside a bag of holding and viceversa
It isn't that it counts as being inside one when you make it a component, it's if a warforged with a component like that steps/climbs into a BoH, Portable Hole, Kobold relic portable hole, etc.

Check the spell description for Rope Trick, and a lot of the other "slip away into a pocket dimension" spells. A lot of them have restrictions on portable hole/bags of holding.

By "a lot of them" do you mean "rope trick only"? Also, rope trick says this:

Quote from: SRD

Note: It is hazardous to create an extradimensional space within an existing extradimensional space or to take an extradimensional space into an existing one.

The only interaction that's specifically defined is that between Portable Holes and Bags of Holding. Skip recommends that you ignore that note, and unlike some other times, I agree with him completely on this one.

McPoyo · « **Reply #26 on:** October 11, 2009, 10:50:45 PM »

Quote from: Emy on October 11, 2009, 10:36:23 PM

Quote from: McPoyo on October 11, 2009, 05:02:42 PM
Quote from: Dusk Eclipse on October 11, 2009, 01:04:28 AM
And why making a bag of holding a warforged component counts as a bag of holding inside a bag of holding and furthermore IIRC that restiction only aplies to a portable hole inside a bag of holding and viceversa
It isn't that it counts as being inside one when you make it a component, it's if a warforged with a component like that steps/climbs into a BoH, Portable Hole, Kobold relic portable hole, etc.

Check the spell description for Rope Trick, and a lot of the other "slip away into a pocket dimension" spells. A lot of them have restrictions on portable hole/bags of holding.

By "a lot of them" do you mean "rope trick only"? Also, rope trick says this:

Quote from: SRD
Note: It is hazardous to create an extradimensional space within an existing extradimensional space or to take an extradimensional space into an existing one.

The only interaction that's specifically defined is that between Portable Holes and Bags of Holding. Skip recommends that you ignore that note, and unlike some other times, I agree with him completely on this one.

And I stand corrected

snakeman830 · « **Reply #27 on:** October 11, 2009, 11:21:41 PM »

Mention needs to be made of the Warforged Substitution levels. As the only race with substitution levels for Artificiers, I find it annoying that it hasn't been mentioned. The first substitution level is a no brainer as the Warforged literally loses nothing by taking the RSL and gains a nice little boost. I personally like the second one as well, but the Weapon Familiar (in the third RSL) is a major question as to if it's better than Retain Essence.

Dusk Eclipse · « **Reply #28 on:** October 11, 2009, 11:26:57 PM »

YAY for Warforged Artificers!!! I am actually playing a warforged artificer and I took the first subtitution level, the second one (ECL 4) it is a difficult decision, I like having my own homunculs for all my needs

Havok4 · « **Reply #29 on:** October 12, 2009, 01:40:31 PM »

Quote from: Dusk Eclipse on October 11, 2009, 11:26:57 PM

YAY for Warforged Artificers!!! I am actually playing a warforged artificer and I took the first subtitution level, the second one (ECL 4) it is a difficult decision, I like having my own homunculs for all my needs

You just need to get craft construct as a feat instead.

Dusk Eclipse · « **Reply #30 on:** October 12, 2009, 06:30:22 PM »

Yeah but why waste a feat slot that could be use in I don't know some metamagic? when you can have it for free?

Agita · « **Reply #31 on:** October 12, 2009, 06:39:10 PM »

Quote from: Dusk Eclipse on October 12, 2009, 06:30:22 PM

Yeah but why waste a feat slot that could be use in I don't know some metamagic? when you can have it for free?

I don't know, because you get something even better for free?

Dusk Eclipse · « **Reply #32 on:** October 12, 2009, 06:40:39 PM »

Don't have my copy of Races of Eberron here, so can you please tell me what do you get instead of Craft Homunculus?

Agita · « **Reply #33 on:** October 12, 2009, 06:46:02 PM »

Quote from: Dusk Eclipse on October 12, 2009, 06:40:39 PM

Don't have my copy of Races of Eberron here, so can you please tell me what do you get instead of Craft Homunculus?

The ability to make your craft reserve points count double for magic weapons, armor, shields, constructs, and enhancing living constructs. In other words, you'll almost never need to worry about paying XP for crafting again. Especially when combined with some of the other XP cost reduction tricks.

Dusk Eclipse · « **Reply #34 on:** October 12, 2009, 06:47:48 PM »

I retire what I said about not taking the 4rth sub level, thats even better than a hommunculus!!!

snakeman830 · « **Reply #35 on:** October 12, 2009, 07:24:23 PM »

Weapon Familiar, IMHO, is NOT worth losing Retain Essence, though.

Besides, Craft Construct is a worthwhile feat to have. There are some really nice constructs that can be made, homoculoui among them.

Dusk Eclipse · « **Reply #36 on:** October 12, 2009, 07:28:08 PM »

You only loose retain essence at level 5 which is the level that gets you Item familiar, and you can still get craft construct at level 6, If you wait two levels to get your hommunculi they will be at reduced cost

snakeman830 · « **Reply #37 on:** October 12, 2009, 07:33:05 PM »

Sorry I didn't make myslef clearer.

The first two Warforged substitution levels are worth having. The last is extremely debateable as Retain Essence is a rather powerful feature.

Dusk Eclipse · « **Reply #38 on:** October 12, 2009, 07:36:43 PM »

Don't worry, and you are right Item familiar are not that useful and besides IIRC you can get one with a feat

Agita · « **Reply #39 on:** October 12, 2009, 07:55:36 PM »

Quote from: Dusk Eclipse on October 12, 2009, 07:36:43 PM

Don't worry, and you are right Item familiar are not that useful and besides IIRC you can get one with a feat

No, that's a different Item Familiar.

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