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Ardent Build
« on: September 26, 2009, 08:00:11 PM »
Using this Meat & Potatoes build:

Poster Name: Tleilaxu_Ghola
Build Name: Meat & Potatoes
Race: Human
Build Stub: Ardent 6/Slayer 10/Storm Disciple 4
Feats:
1.Tap Mantle (Energy), (Hidden Talent [Precognition Offensive]), (Weapon Focus [Great Sword])*
3. Power Attack
6. Track
9. Leap Attack
12. Tap Mantle (Time)
15. Tap Mantle (Pain & Suffering)
18. Practice Manifester
*From the conflict mantle

Mantles: [Conflict], [Physical], Natural World, Freedom, Energy, (Time), (Pain and Suffering)
Powers known (#ed by ML): 1. Prescience offensive, 1. Vigor, 2. Metaphysical Weapon, 3. Claws of the Beast, 3. Psionic Lion's Charge, 4. Animal Affinity, 5. Energy Burst, 6. Hustle, 7. Metamorphosis, 8. Psionic Fly, 9. Psychic Crush, 10. Dimension Slide, 11. Temporal Acceleration, 12. Anticipatory Strike, 13. Oak Body, 14. Hostile Empathetic Transfer, 15. Spirit of War, 16. True Metabolism, 17. Pain Affinity Field, 18. Psionic Earthquake

Mantle Abilities: Free weapon focus (Great Sword), +10 move speed while focused, Wild Empathy

Notable Class Abilities & Build Perks:

    * Base Attack Bonus: 18
    * Manifester Level: 18 (20 w/ practiced manifester)
    * Power Attack Synergy (Deep Impact or Metaphysical Weapon + Spirit of War to boost to-hit chance and then trade for high amount of damage).
    * Early access to Energy Burst: Lets him wade into combat and blow everything up around him.
    * Time Manipulation: Access to temporal accleration for quick buffing at higher levels, Anticipatory strike for acting twice in one round (to end a conflict quickly).
    * Immune to Mind-Affecting effects while focused.
    * Power Reducing Attacks: Each strike reduces his opponent's PR/SR by 1 for many hours.


Comments: Not an overly impressive build, but it has some nice numbers, namely BAB and ML. The focus here is purely a combat brute. He buffs up quickly w/ swift action buffs, wades in (perhaps via his teleportation spells), and hits hard. If surrounded he can blow stuff up, and at later levels pain affinity field allows him to really amp up the damage and make his opponents wish they never had met him.





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In the event I can't get Hidden Talent do I take wild talent instead or do I sub in Expanded Knowledge and switch around the positions of some feats?

Stats:15STR 14DEX 15CON 10INT 16WIS 13CHA

Should I switch Cha and Int since I won't be needing hidden talent?  or switch Dex and Int for diplomacy/skills?
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Re: Ardent Build
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2009, 01:28:36 AM »
im not a fan of storm disiple. see if you can take the psionic adaption of abjurant champion, or even sanctified mind from lords of madness.

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Re: Ardent Build
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2009, 04:05:40 AM »
im not a fan of storm disiple. see if you can take the psionic adaption of abjurant champion, or even sanctified mind from lords of madness.

Ardent screams Psionic Swiftblade gish to me.  BAB 17/ML 20 w/ PM, and you become speed incarnate.  I'm wanting to say there's a psionic haste somewhere...?
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Re: Ardent Build
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2009, 07:48:10 AM »
I feel silly for saying this whenever someone mentions ardent, but, ardent alternate class features. http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20070629a
Even if you don't pull synchronicity tricks, it's still useful. Rebuilding mantles is always useful, and the level 10 ACF gives you a (partially) free flow of one of the most important psionics resources: Psionic Focus.

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Re: Ardent Build
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2009, 01:58:57 PM »
im not a fan of storm disiple. see if you can take the psionic adaption of abjurant champion, or even sanctified mind from lords of madness.

Ardent screams Psionic Swiftblade gish to me.  BAB 17/ML 20 w/ PM, and you become speed incarnate.  I'm wanting to say there's a psionic haste somewhere...?


the only way i know to get psionic haste is thru erudite...

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Re: Ardent Build
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2009, 02:16:01 PM »
im not a fan of storm disiple. see if you can take the psionic adaption of abjurant champion, or even sanctified mind from lords of madness.

Ardent screams Psionic Swiftblade gish to me.  BAB 17/ML 20 w/ PM, and you become speed incarnate.  I'm wanting to say there's a psionic haste somewhere...?


the only way i know to get psionic haste is thru erudite...

I'll dredge through all the converted spells later.  I would think THE staple spell of all good buffers would have been among those converted, though.  And if not...a power stone is cheap, and since it can exist as a power, you can always put it on a mantle with the ACF.
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Re: Ardent Build
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2009, 04:13:54 PM »
Schism gives you an extra mental standard action and is a staple for all psionic PCs. Temporal aceleration gives you 1-4 extra turns to set up/self buff.  If extra attacks are what you want then Xeph celerity may be the way to do it

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Re: Ardent Build
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2009, 04:18:44 PM »
im not a fan of storm disiple. see if you can take the psionic adaption of abjurant champion, or even sanctified mind from lords of madness.

Ardent screams Psionic Swiftblade gish to me.  BAB 17/ML 20 w/ PM, and you become speed incarnate.  I'm wanting to say there's a psionic haste somewhere...?


the only way i know to get psionic haste is thru erudite...

I'll dredge through all the converted spells later.  I would think THE staple spell of all good buffers would have been among those converted, though.  And if not...a power stone is cheap, and since it can exist as a power, you can always put it on a mantle with the ACF.


I never understood why a verson of haste was not in the freedom mantle @ 3rd level, especially being that there is no 3rd lvl powers, and its only like 6 or 7 powers in that mantle.

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Re: Ardent Build
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2009, 07:17:54 PM »
I never understood why a verson of haste was not in the freedom mantle @ 3rd level, especially being that there is no 3rd lvl powers, and its only like 6 or 7 powers in that mantle.
A lot of the mantles are terribly empty. A decent DM should fill them, as suggested in the online article on Ardents.
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Re: Ardent Build
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2009, 08:25:52 PM »
can anyone think of a reason why there is no "official" psionic haste power? haste is one of the most popular spells in dnd, going back to 1st ed.. an possibly even basic dnd, but i dont recall.  there has to be some reason why the designers chose to omit it, aside from what just seems like wotc dislike/hate for psionics as a system.