Tarrasque Extermination Force

[Nanshork]

Not unless I'm missing something. it says you can skip the ASF chance for [cold] spells while wearing it, though.

Eh, PhaedrusXY brought it up.  Skipping the ASF is meaningless if all of my spells aren't cold anyway.  



Anyways, here is my argument:

Eschew Materials says: "You can cast any spell that has a material component costing 1gp or less without needing that component."

Snowcasting says: "If you add a handful of snow or ice as an additional material component to a spell when you cast it..."  

Therefore snow is an additional component of the spell, and not just an extra thing I need to cast it in general, as it gets added to the list of material components necessary to cast the spell if I'm using the feat.  I interpret the third paragraph as more of a way to prevent players from lugging around a whole bunch of snow in a bag of holding and abusing the feat.  If the extra material component is eschewed the third paragraph becomes non-applicable.



I've seen it go both ways Bowen.  You just want my group to lose.   

[Midnight_v]

For what its worth I agree with it working as nanshork says. . . and I'm on the opposing team and not using that tactic.


hmm.... arcane fusion isn't banned? YAY 

[Surreal]

Heh, I was just thinking if there was an opening I'd throw in my "Reikhardt is your buddy" build. I wouldn't have to do anything since the build doesn't actually do very much except sit there and and passively give bonuses to everyone's saves (+9 to Will, and +Cha to Fort or Will, and +cha to any save I choose (or initiative, or SR piercing), and I personally get another Cha to all my saves stacked on top). Actively, I could inspire courage as a 17th level bard, so twinking that out with WoC to give everyone... +10? something like that

Mind you, the save bonuses don't really matter as much at this point since you're all playing rocket tag.

[Nanshork]

Hey Team, are there any 7th level or lower wizard buffing spells you specifically are interested having cast on you?  Let me know!  

[Risada]

Hey Team, are there any 7th level or lower wizard buffing spells you specifically are interested having cast on you?  Let me know!  

Anything that makes hitting these tarrasques easier!

....I will name Ferocity of the Sanguine Rage so you can't say I didn't help 

[Nanshork]

Hey Team, are there any 7th level or lower wizard buffing spells you specifically are interested having cast on you?  Let me know!  

Anything that makes hitting these tarrasques easier!

....I will name Ferocity of the Sanguine Rage so you can't say I didn't help  

Actually, I can't use that one.    It was originally on the list but it doesn't meet the requirements set by Spellguard of Silverymoon to cast on other people.  Don't worry, I'm in the process of making a word document of all spells I can think of that I might want for you to peruse at your leisure.

Edit: At the risk of making this into the most complicated character I have ever made, does Shapechange give me the spellcasting abilities of the creature I'm turning into?

[Risada]

Actually, I can't use that one.    It was originally on the list but it doesn't meet the requirements set by Spellguard of Silverymoon to cast on other people.  Don't worry, I'm in the process of making a word document of all spells I can think of that I might want for you to peruse at your leisure.

Then, how about Bite of XYZ (whatever you can get)? 

[Nanshork]

Actually, I can't use that one.    It was originally on the list but it doesn't meet the requirements set by Spellguard of Silverymoon to cast on other people.  Don't worry, I'm in the process of making a word document of all spells I can think of that I might want for you to peruse at your leisure.

Then, how about Bite of XYZ (whatever you can get)?  

That would be Bite of the Werebear.  Don't worry, I'm all over that.  

Edit:  *groans*  This is turning into more work than some term papers I've written, and every time I ask a question I make it worse for myself.  If our group gets our asses kicked I'm going to get royally pissed.

[Nanshork]

archangel, what buffs are you planning on casting?

[AfterCrescent]

Edit: At the risk of making this into the most complicated character I have ever made, does Shapechange give me the spellcasting abilities of the creature I'm turning into?

So after going over this with Bowen, the following are true:
1. I don't want to encourage Shapechange-spellcasting, so if it's not necessary, I'd recommend avoiding it.
2. If you do choose Shapechange for spellcasting, you are limited to one form of casting (i.e. you pick Solar, or Couatl, or whatever and if you Shapechange into another, you don't get that form's casting).
3. You must prepare casting as normal for the class your casting mimics. (meaning you need a book if it's as a wizard, or prior to the challenge, must have a list of spells known for a sorcerer and are stuck with it).

[Nanshork]

Edit: At the risk of making this into the most complicated character I have ever made, does Shapechange give me the spellcasting abilities of the creature I'm turning into?

So after going over this with Bowen, the following are true:
1. I don't want to encourage Shapechange-spellcasting, so if it's not necessary, I'd recommend avoiding it.
2. If you do choose Shapechange for spellcasting, you are limited to one form of casting (i.e. you pick Solar, or Couatl, or whatever and if you Shapechange into another, you don't get that form's casting).
3. You must prepare casting as normal for the class your casting mimics. (meaning you need a book if it's as a wizard, or prior to the challenge, must have a list of spells known for a sorcerer and are stuck with it).

2 & 3 are perfectly fine.  And yes, I need more buffs.   

[PhaedrusXY]

1. I don't want to encourage Shapechange-spellcasting, so if it's not necessary, I'd recommend avoiding it.
2. If you do choose Shapechange for spellcasting, you are limited to one form of casting (i.e. you pick Solar, or Couatl, or whatever and if you Shapechange into another, you don't get that form's casting).
3. You must prepare casting as normal for the class your casting mimics. (meaning you need a book if it's as a wizard, or prior to the challenge, must have a list of spells known for a sorcerer and are stuck with it).

Holy crap... Kind of makes playing a theurge character a bit redundant, doesn't it? I can't believe you're allowing this and didn't allow some of the other relatively minor stuff.

[AfterCrescent]

I do strongly recommend avoiding it. But I didn't flat out ban Shapechange (would you rather I do that, Phaedrus?) so I felt I should at least limit the spellcasting.

[PhaedrusXY]

I do strongly recommend avoiding it. But I didn't flat out ban Shapechange (would you rather I do that, Phaedrus?) so I felt I should at least limit the spellcasting.

Shapechange isn't the problem. Giving people spellcasting from it based on a poorly written monster entry in a splatbook is.

But sure, if you want to ban it, go ahead. I'd rather play in a game where it is totally banned than one that lets it give you the abilities of several entirely different classes. It's overpowered enough that it is commonly banned even without that ridiculously-over-the-top interpretation.

[BowenSilverclaw]

And thanks to J0lt we'll probably have to face (an avatar of) Ctulhu somewhere later on

[PhaedrusXY]

And thanks to J0lt we'll probably have to face (an avatar of) Ctulhu somewhere later on

[Midnight_v]

And thanks to J0lt we'll probably have to face (an avatar of) Ctulhu somewhere later on

Yeah... it funny I'd thought about doing that to Titans before was trying to make cthulhu - a likes like an illithid plot or something...
but I never though to do it to big. Mostly cause he wasn't humanoid enough for cerebromorphosis to work on him.
Though ... fuck, it works on ropers so why not?

[AfterCrescent]

I do strongly recommend avoiding it. But I didn't flat out ban Shapechange (would you rather I do that, Phaedrus?) so I felt I should at least limit the spellcasting.

Shapechange isn't the problem. Giving people spellcasting from it based on a poorly written monster entry in a splatbook is.

But sure, if you want to ban it, go ahead. I'd rather play in a game where it is totally banned than one that lets it give you the abilities of several entirely different classes. It's overpowered enough that it is commonly banned even without that ridiculously-over-the-top interpretation.

Solar's aren't a splat book... But I see your point.  Okay, I'm gonna be democratic about it.  We already have like 10-12 (I think?) people preparing for this. I'll make a vote/poll thing for a week. Sound good?

[Nanshork]

I can agree with that.

[AfterCrescent]

And thanks to J0lt we'll probably have to face (an avatar of) Ctulhu somewhere later on

Oh come on, you think I wasn't already planning on using it?   The tarrasque with 1/2 illithid makes grapplers cry.