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Building on the Chrono-Legionnaire
« on: September 12, 2009, 10:20:59 AM »
I recently got the 2 psionic books (EPH and CP) and started thinking about an nomad gish like char. I quickly found the Chrono-Legionnaire http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19859478/TeleporterConjurer_Gish?post_id=338080418#338080418

I'm in the process of modifying the build to my liking. I don't like the whole Anarchic Initiate class and I also don't get why it's in there so i'll probaly drop that. Doing that the build looks something like this: (I can take feats if I don't qualify they just don't work unless I have the qualification.)
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"The current build is Nomad 8/Slayer 6. The campaign the character is playing in starts at lvl 14 :), and were basicly an assasination team. (an changeling replacement killer assassin (Dragon 312), (a gnome beguiler/shadowcraft/mindbender) and me."

1. Can i get divert teleport even earlier (than 14th)?

The chrono-leggionaire says this: "Divert Teleport + Psicrystal Share Powers: The Gingerbread Man provides the Chrono-Legionnaire with another immediate action to redirect teleportations with."
2. Can somebody explain this? Because I don't get the ruling here.
Answered :)

Divert Teleport has a duration of 10min/lvl and a manifest time of 1 immediate action:
3. Does this mean you have to use an immediate action every time you divert or only one per several hours?
Answered :)

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« Last Edit: September 13, 2009, 05:30:03 PM by shandiris »

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Re: Building on the Chrono-Legionnaire
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2009, 10:24:48 PM »
I'm glad reposting that was useful to someone. I always liked that build. :D

The chrono-leggionaire says this: "Divert Teleport + Psicrystal Share Powers: The Gingerbread Man provides the Chrono-Legionnaire with another immediate action to redirect teleportations with."
2. Can somebody explain this? Because I don't get the ruling here.
He shares Divert Teleport with his psicrystal, which has its own set of actions. So he basically gets two uses of Divert Teleport per round (from his own immediate action, and his psicrystal's).

Edit: Although now that I re-read the power, it doesn't explicitly say that "You" are the target. It doesn't have a target line at all, in the same way that Antimagic Field doesn't. So I don't think it is technically a legal target for Share Powers (as AMF isn't for Share Spells).

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Divert Teleport has a duration of 10min/lvl and a manifest time of 1 immediate action:
3. Does this mean you have to use an immediate action every time you divert or only one per several hours?
It is an immediate action to manifest it the first time, and an immediate action every time you use it. You don't have to remanifest it every time you divert someone, though. That's what the duration part means. Or at least that's how I think it works.

As for getting it earlier... you could base this on ardent manifesting, and take Practiced Manifester. If you can find a mantle with it (or bribe your DM into adding it to one), you could get it at 14th.



After rereading the power... I'm not sure what the range on the diverted teleport is... Is it the same as the effect that you divert? Or something else?
« Last Edit: September 12, 2009, 10:37:17 PM by PhaedrusXY »
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Re: Building on the Chrono-Legionnaire
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2009, 11:31:44 PM »
Rebuild a mantle A La the web resource on Ardents on the Wizards site :)  Problem solved there.  Also, while we're talking about ardents, I know they are basically a psi-gish in a can, and can get higher access to powers with PM, but do they get the PSP's to go with that?  If so...one feat=4 levels of manifesting?
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Re: Building on the Chrono-Legionnaire
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2009, 04:37:24 PM »
Rebuild a mantle A La the web resource on Ardents on the Wizards site :)  Problem solved there.  Also, while we're talking about ardents, I know they are basically a psi-gish in a can, and can get higher access to powers with PM, but do they get the PSP's to go with that?  If so...one feat=4 levels of manifesting?
PSP=power points? If so, the answer is basically no. There is a decent argument that they'd get a bit more bonus power points from having a high wisdom, as that is based off your manifester level. But Practiced Manifester itself says you don't get more power points.
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Re: Building on the Chrono-Legionnaire
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2009, 05:13:19 PM »
Smidge of terminology drifting going on ... no big deal.
You bought the XPH, why?
d20srd.org has it, plus the good parts of D&DG and Epic and Unearthed Arcana.
You bought the CPsi, why?
Well OK, I bought them both too, so I'm calling no kettles black, I'm burnt.

back on topic ... that's an early build, historically very useful.
Srd Slayer gets rids of killing an Illithid, and the 10th level is a little sketchy anyway.
Anarchic Initiate still gets kudos, it's better than straight Psion. Recharge is easier with it.
But it's not the end-all of the build, so ditching it can work.

PhaeXY said Ardent because of the 3 MLs lost to the Ranger, Fighter, and 1st Slayer level.
KellK said Mind's Eye because that upgrade, impacts this direction too.

iirc - the arguments about how Share Powers + Divert Teleport were later in that thread. And now lost to WSoD, or the latest numb-skullery.


d20srd says:

Range:     Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Area:    A circle, centered on you, with a radius of 50 ft. + 10 ft./level
Effect:    Diverts the teleportation of any object or creature whose weight does not exceed your maximum load

Similar to detect teleportation, except that you know the intended destination, and you can divert the final destination of any teleportation attempt made by others within the area. This is an immediate action, like manifesting a quickened power, and counts toward the limit of one quickened power per round. You can manifest this power even if it is not your turn.

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I bolded the "you", man this is a little confusing.

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Re: Building on the Chrono-Legionnaire
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2009, 05:18:25 PM »
So what does the "Range: Medium" part mean?

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Re: Building on the Chrono-Legionnaire
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2009, 05:21:32 PM »
Ah... I missed that. I bet that is the range on how far you can "divert" them.

I remember writing up a bunch of stuff on sharing Antimagic Field with your familiar in several threads (actually just casting it on the familiar via Share Spells, and not on yourself), until someone in one of them pointed out that AMF doesn't have a target line, and so technically can't be "shared". Then I was like...  :bigeye because I realized they were right. It would be a reasonable house rule... until someone sicked their AMF-wearing familiar on your favorite mage.
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Re: Building on the Chrono-Legionnaire
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2009, 05:28:02 PM »
First of all, thanks for all the comments

Ardent could work altough getting all the powers i want jammed into self made mantles is going to be VERY hard. Since there are zero mantles with a bit of teleporation powers.

PSP (power strength points altough thats from 2e i think) are power points and you don't get extra pp, no

I bought the both of them for 10 bucks, is the reason :)

What other mindaffecting abberation would you pick if you use SRD slayer? I think mind flayers will be the most common.


Now: for a big change since first post. ( I'l edit the top post too.)
The campaign the character is going to play in starts at lvl 14 :), and were basicly an assasination team. (an changeling replacement killer assassin (Dragon 312), (a gnome beguiler/shadowcraft/mindbender) and me.
I considered your suggestion of ardent, since you get more BAB and spells earlier, BUT if i go Nomad 8/Slayer 6 I have the same BAB and i can cast divert too and all the other teleport thing withouth having to whine to my DM (a whole lot). Is there a class with which i can increase the BAB?

Thanks

PS: I looked at anarchic initiate for in between the nomad and slayer but A: i don't like the flavor B: the prequisites are a pain withouth ranger and figher C: I don't really get why it is so good.
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Re: Building on the Chrono-Legionnaire
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2009, 05:47:40 PM »
Ardent could work altough getting all the powers i want jammed into self made mantles is going to be VERY hard. Since there are zero mantles with a bit of teleporation powers.
The Freedom mantle has several.
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What other mindaffecting abberation would you pick if you use SRD slayer? I think mind flayers will be the most common.
Elans? :P
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I considered your suggestion of ardent, since you get more BAB and spells earlier, BUT if i go Nomad 8/Slayer 6 I have the same BAB and i can cast divert too and all the other teleport thing withouth having to whine to my DM (a whole lot). Is there a class with which i can increase the BAB?
I remember some gish-like PrC in Complete Psi, but I can't even remember the name...

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PS: I looked at anarchic initiate for in between the nomad and slayer but A: i don't like the flavor B: the prequisites are a pain withouth ranger and figher C: I don't really get why it is so good.
Wild Surge is actually very nice if you can get it without worrying about Enervating, and that's what this PrC does, on a Psion even. It's like getting two free power points every time you manifest something.
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Re: Building on the Chrono-Legionnaire
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2009, 12:12:27 PM »
Storm Disciple I believe.  3/5 manifesting with good BAB.  Also makes you immune to wind effects (yay for walking through tornadoes!) and gives minor electricity resistance.
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Re: Building on the Chrono-Legionnaire
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2009, 08:33:30 PM »
Wild Surge is actually very nice if you can get it without worrying about Enervating, and that's what this PrC does, on a Psion even. It's like getting two free power points every time you manifest something.

Are you speaking about anarchic initiate in general, or in the context of this build?  This build (or the original one at least) only gets wild surge +1.  And when you say "without worrying about enervating," are you just referring to the really probability that corresponds to low surges, or is there some way this build is supposed to avoid it entirely?

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Re: Building on the Chrono-Legionnaire
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2009, 10:54:24 PM »
I don't remember the exact wording, but I remember seeing it bantered around that if you enter as a psion, you don't risk enervating, as enervation is a wilder class feature, and you have no wilder levels.
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Re: Building on the Chrono-Legionnaire
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2009, 11:06:58 PM »
Hmmm, if you could find that, I'd be interested.  All I see is psychic enervation as a class feature and then as a description:
Quote from: CPsi
Psychic Enervation (Ex): At 3rd level, you gain the psychic enervation class feature (EPH 31) if you do not already have it.

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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2009, 12:43:45 AM »
Hmmm, if you could find that, I'd be interested.  All I see is psychic enervation as a class feature and then as a description:
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Psychic Enervation (Ex): At 3rd level, you gain the psychic enervation class feature (EPH 31) if you do not already have it.
Ah, so you could still be stunned. The number of power points you lose is based on your wilder level, though, and you don't have one. :P
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Re: Building on the Chrono-Legionnaire
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2009, 01:00:17 AM »
Hmmm, if you could find that, I'd be interested.  All I see is psychic enervation as a class feature and then as a description:
Quote from: CPsi
Psychic Enervation (Ex): At 3rd level, you gain the psychic enervation class feature (EPH 31) if you do not already have it.
Ah, so you could still be stunned. The number of power points you lose is based on your wilder level, though, and you don't have one. :P

Pity that Anarchic Initiates don't quite get enough Wild Surge to have a recharge setup straight out of the box. No chance of losing power points would make it really convenient.

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Re: Building on the Chrono-Legionnaire
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2009, 04:05:45 PM »
When I first saw the chrono-legionnaire, my first instinct was to try to do something else with the anarchic initiate levels, especially since the build is only 1 more psion level away from another bonus feat.  But even if you don't really like the class, you are so limited by the availability of psionic PrCs that if you want full manifesting and improved BAB progression, its pretty much all you've got left after slayer.