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Re: Please help my Night Stalker Kensai Archer
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2009, 04:28:17 AM »
Damn! I just checked in the spell compendium and it is as you said 2nd. Ranger 3.

So before time stands still your build only does: 4 base +1 rapid shot +1 haste x2 splitting. Same as mine.
(except mine has exit wound so I get at least double it there 2+ enemies)

So if I take 1 or 2 well timed levels of Sword sage &/or Warblade I can get most of the defensive and mobility abilities, Feats get the attacks above, kensai gets a +10 bow and 2 +10 staffs and some wicked abilities.
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Re: Please help my Night Stalker Kensai Archer
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2009, 11:50:21 AM »
Arrow storm is the variant from drag mag.

I was explaining where the 80 arrows a round come from, since you seemed puzzle.

Time stand still with 10 level of eternal blade can effectively grant you 4 full attacks in 1 round.  With the right feats, you can even do 2 of those before everyone else acts in the round (except celerity mages)

You can take kensai if you want to... but eternal blade is gonna be better all around: bypassing DR, free knowledge checks, insta maneuvers if you need them, int to damage, uncanny dodge, int to AC.

Kensai gets nothing compared to eternal blade.

Blood in the water, with improved critical, gets really good the more attacks you have, because it is not precision damage, even on an undead, if you confirm a crit, you don't get additional crit damage, but you do get the +1 to attack, +1 to damage every time you confirm a crit, that can quickly rise up, since they don't go away as long as you crit in the next minute.  It's a pretty good stance to have.

And don't get me wrong, you can do whatever the hell you want with your build, i don't really care.

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Re: Please help my Night Stalker Kensai Archer
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2009, 04:21:22 PM »
Eternal Blade is wonderful. But you have to play an Elf.

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Re: Please help my Night Stalker Kensai Archer
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2009, 04:23:13 PM »
True, that's a downside.

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Re: Please help my Night Stalker Kensai Archer
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2009, 10:59:13 PM »
int to damage,
once/day.
bypassing DR,
Force property.
insta maneuvers if you need them, int to AC.
Sage 1 gets me blood in the water and some insta maneuvers. Sage 2 gets wis to AC.
free knowledge checks
Damn, that does rock with knowledge devotion.

Kensai gets nothing compared to eternal blade.

Kensai gets me a +1, aptitude, force, splitting, exit wound, Psychokinetic elven craft great bow.
and: +8 str many/day. Concentration on reflex checks, +8 intimidate, +2 on attacks, will saves and concentration checks within 30' and instill (a wicked ability)
And a +1 warning, deflecting, acid, huge earth elemental summoning, eager, shocking, huge air elemental summoning staff (for abilities)
and a +1 brutal surge, greater dispelling, spell storing, +5 more abilities staff (for bashing)

with aptitude I take spinning halberd (+1 attack/full attack.)
and Anvil of thunder (every shot causes daze for 1 round. Fort save DC: 10 +1/2 level + str)

So at level 20 and with dragon mag allowed I'd definately go your build.

At every other level I'd go kensai.
 

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Re: Please help my Night Stalker Kensai Archer
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2009, 11:13:27 PM »
ooh, checkit:

I'll take whirling steel strike and flurry with my bow!!!

so [(4 attacks base +1 haste +1 flurry +1 spinning halberd +1 rappid shot) x2 spliting] x2 exit wound = 32 shots/round! (every round all day)
and half of them cause daze!
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Re: Please help my Night Stalker Kensai Archer
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2009, 11:48:01 PM »
Add in roundabout kick and a keen enhancement and every time you have a confirmed critical you get an extra attack.

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Re: Please help my Night Stalker Kensai Archer
« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2009, 12:32:24 AM »
yeah, that would be nice. Less feats than lightning mace. But still so many feats! Where can I get them all from.

I think I might start with monk2, sage1, fighter2, cleric of Baator1, then kensai.
Sage 1 with white raven discipline focus gets me weapon focus for anvil of thunder, spinning halberd and whirling steel strike.

but I still want more feats...
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Re: Please help my Night Stalker Kensai Archer
« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2009, 01:09:18 AM »
Be an elf and pay for the dark chaos shuffle?

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Re: Please help my Night Stalker Kensai Archer
« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2009, 01:32:27 AM »
Be an elf and pay for the dark chaos shuffle?

What is that? Is is silly broken stuff, or just a nice trick?
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Re: Please help my Night Stalker Kensai Archer
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2009, 01:56:21 AM »
Be an elf and pay for the dark chaos shuffle?

What is that? Is is silly broken stuff, or just a nice trick?

Silly broken.

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Re: Please help my Night Stalker Kensai Archer
« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2009, 01:56:57 AM »
Silly broken stuff mostly, it is a set of spells from the fiendish codex 1. Basically by casting them in succession for the low cost of about 500xp I think you can change any feat your character possesses into any other feat you qualify for. This means that an elf's racial feats can be turned into whatever you want.

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Re: Please help my Night Stalker Kensai Archer
« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2009, 02:57:58 AM »
ahhh, silly broken indeed!

oh well, sword sage 1 gets me 4 feats alone, so I'm off to a goot start. Where to next?

Has anyone made a monk/shou deciple archer for +2 attacks with flurry?
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Re: Please help my Night Stalker Kensai Archer
« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2009, 04:02:24 AM »
Ya know, all your tricks are derived on a magic bow.


ya know what else gets you a magic bow?

Money

The thing everyone has in D&D.

At least, in 90% of the games.

If you're in one of the low magic items, no magic mart games, why play an archer, play an artificier, they're decent archers.  They also get your bow.

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Re: Please help my Night Stalker Kensai Archer
« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2009, 09:46:35 AM »
Ya know, all your tricks are derived on a magic bow.


ya know what else gets you a magic bow?

Money

The thing is my build is not a level 20 only build. In the mid levels my bow alone is worth more than a characters entire budget.
By the later levels I have 3 +10 weapons. If you want to get that with gold it will set you back 600,000gp.

And on the other hand, think of all the extra money I have. Heaps for defence, paid permanent spells and stacks of wicked arrows. 
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Re: Please help my Night Stalker Kensai Archer
« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2009, 04:55:18 PM »
Yah, and you lose 12k xp.

With 12k xp, i can do a lot more than have 3 + 10 weapons.


Also,y ou have a bow, make it elvencraft and bash in melee with it, no need for other weapons.

Anyways, wtv man, you do wtv the hell you want with your kensai build, I really don't see the appeal, but have fun.

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Re: Please help my Night Stalker Kensai Archer
« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2009, 05:28:45 PM »
Yah, and you lose 12k xp.

With 12k xp, i can do a lot more than have 3 + 10 weapons.


Also,y ou have a bow, make it elvencraft and bash in melee with it, no need for other weapons.

Anyways, wtv man, you do wtv the hell you want with your kensai build, I really don't see the appeal, but have fun.

Do keep in mind that experience is a river. If your allies are a higher level than you because you're spending XP, then you'll level up faster. The more you spend, the faster you gain it back.

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Re: Please help my Night Stalker Kensai Archer
« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2009, 05:35:41 PM »
Oh, of course, but i'd rather have... say... two +1 LA templates or races or 1 +2 LA template or races for this kind of exp with LA buyback then a +10 weapon.

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Re: Please help my Night Stalker Kensai Archer
« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2009, 10:08:56 PM »
Also,y ou have a bow, make it elvencraft and bash in melee with it, no need for other weapons.

Yep, that is the idea.
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