D&DG , and Science based Origin History

[awaken DM golem]

Here's what I'm thinking about today ...

step 1 - Big Bang
step 2 - String Theory
step 3 - Snowball Earth

standing astride

option 1 - Volcano based lifeforms
option 2 - Volcano in the Ocean based lifeforms
option 3 - Comet seeding
option 4 - Mars has one of the above + collision + stuff gets here
option 5 - Aliens / Higher Intellects make one of the above happen
option 6 - Aliens / Higher Intellects make one of the above appear to be what happened

OK
so, then open up Deities & Demi-Gods
and the steps look to me like:
The three Lawful planes might be Step 1 possible, but limited deities involved
The some of the Chaotic planes, can easily be Step 2, and any of the deities work here
Ice and Cold based Deities can cause Step 3, either before or after the 6 options

option 1 is Hephaestus and similars
option 2 is Hephaestus ~fighting Poseidon
option 3 is complicated, but the Hecatoncheres can hurl really huge things, and Atlas can hurl anything
option 4 is Atlas fighting Ares / Mars straight up, and stuff happens when gods fight
option 5 is any race with an Int of 20, or can summon an Efreet (etc)
option 6 is the trickiest, but a mere CO-build above option 5

and then I go whatever.

Anybody have ideas about Science based accuracy in the game 

[Havok4]

Adding science to a dnd world is really tricky. Many of the basic physical laws vary a great deal from reality. I personally find it much easier to say that an epic level wizard got bored.

[Bozwevial]

Adding science to a dnd world is really tricky. Many of the basic physical laws vary a great deal from reality. I personally find it much easier to say that an epic level wizard got bored. Pun-Pun happened.

Fixed that for you.

But yeah, given the existence of the other planes (and more importantly, MAGIC), there are a ton of ways that this could go. The Big Bang could have easily been the result of a slow magical buildup, or something.

[Havok4]

Adding science to a dnd world is really tricky. Many of the basic physical laws vary a great deal from reality. I personally find it much easier to say that an epic level wizard got bored. Pun-Pun happened.

Fixed that for you.

But yeah, given the existence of the other planes (and more importantly, MAGIC), there are a ton of ways that this could go. The Big Bang could have easily been the result of a slow magical buildup, or something.

Pun Pun is technically an epic level wizard. And everything else.

And it is the magic that trows it off the most as it radically shifts every aspect of existence, like throwing the law of conservation of energy out the window.

[PhaedrusXY]

[Prime32]

R.I.P.

[awaken DM golem]

Havok4 - yeah Science + D&D is problematic. I was thinking along the lines of :  What IF ?

PhaeXY + Prime = applied Chaos Theory, with a hint of cuteness.

Boz --- "The Big Bang could have easily been the result of a slow magical buildup, or something."
Nice. I was thinking Overdeity. That's just the easy answer, though. Yours is better.

Timeline wise ... Chaos Theory can happen at any time. And Chaos Theory might allow anything to happen,
so it could explain everything. But the likelihood, is something else is going on too.

Snowball Earth happened 500 million year ago, but when Life on earth started is up for arguing. As in before or after the Snowball.
So , then , which Deities apply for the given event ?

Pun-pun can be options 5 or 6, and can cause any of the others. He was grumpy one day, and Cthulhu happened, and West Virginia. 

[dither]

As for deities, I had to finally go with the Gnosticism/Eberron conclusion -- deities don't interact with the world and are at best distant, incomprehensible entities. Everything less than deities would be the equivalent of your Avatars, Archdemons/archdevils and epic wizards Pun-Pun and would be the real movers and shakers in the world. Epic adventurers figure in somewhere under archdemons and avatars, and elder evils and abominations fit in between those two, somewhere.

[RobbyPants]

Adding science to a dnd world is really tricky. Many of the basic physical laws vary a great deal from reality. I personally find it much easier to say that an epic level wizard got bored.

A wizard did it?

[awaken DM golem]

Dither - yeah, that might be Big Bang -ish, Deism, Mother Nature makes the Universe and then hangs around doing no much.
And also options 5 or 6.

Havok4 - hmm ... so the TV Trope itself , might be the thing that caused the Big Bang or String Theory / Chaos.
That makes TV Tropes at least option 6, and perhaps more powerful than Pun-pun.
Wow.

[dither]

Actually, I just picked up a copy of Alpha Centauri after reading about it and being intrigued with it to begin with. I wonder if you might consider "Mother Nature" to be her own faction that simple acts on a much slower basis than PCs. She essentially spawns life that tries to live and she becomes more aggressive with developing means to "attack" humanoids (this is represented by humanoids simply being the most fertile breeding ground and abundant source of food for, oh, I don't know ... diseases?).

Natural disasters work in there too, but the "cooldown" for those types of attacks is a bitch. 

[awaken DM golem]

Mother Nature as a slow but irresistable force, sure.
Faction - as in Planescape - The Lady of Pain hasn't a faction of her own, but could have minor followers.
Mother Nature could be more "nurturing" than the Lady. Why not?


One possible cause of the Big Bang, is the collision of two universes.
In D&D terms, this could be a collision between The Far Realms and Something Else, causing The Prime to happen.
Or a collision between The Far Realms and The Previous Prime, causing The Current Prime.

[TheBrood]

i might be alittle off base from not quite understanding what your trying to get at lol
but im going to take a crack at this...
but didnt AO create everything by creating his 2 "children"
behemot and tiamat and those 2 went on to create all things planets...creatures so on and so forth then creating more deities

and btw love your concept there dither 

[TheBrood]

but thats just for faerun 
although the thought of magic energy coming together to make a large enough explosion or expansion into different types of energy to create life or atleast a place life could come to being is a interesting thought and one i would probably agree with because even deities must of been created...some maybe somewhere along those lines a or several were created and then turned to create more life because they were bored then got bored of those worlds after so long and decided to ignore them and now we're at this point all powerful deities doing nothing...lots of magic laying around and a stubborn dwarf drunk under a table

[veekie]

Well, a lot of the classic divine creation myths contain lots of masturbation and incest with creator deities...

[awaken DM golem]

Well yes in an analogous or allegory sort of way.
It's not "masturbating" , so much as it's something our little minds can't really wrap around , so calling it M is as accurate as calling it chicken choking.
Literallly - fundamentalistic - Aphrodite IS Chronos' goof-juice boiling out of the ocean. Maybe young Poseidon-to-be doesn't like pearl necklaces.
(filters)

TheBrood - I'm not really trying for an exact idea here, I'm more thinking out loud as to how Science based Origins can be somewhat similar to D&D abilities, or talents, or deities or what-not. History channel had a nifty program on a few days ago. The oceans were green for about 100 million years. I don't know what D&D deity would be in charge of making the oceans green. Loki could do it. Loki might have a trickster reason to do it. How? I've no idea.

[TheBrood]

oh lol didnt really understand what you were trying to get at at first

i wonder myself what deity would cause dreams, imagination, or simply put (thought) giving us and other creatures the capability  of thinking and reacting with memory also part of all this...its def not magic

[awaken DM golem]

Dreams, iirc - Australian Aborigines use Dream as their major belief.
Mono-psychism is the belief that everything is One Mind. An extremely small Sufi group believes that.

It could be possible, from a D&D stand point, that the D&D universe is just a Dream or some super-powered thingy.
It also could be possible, that the D&D universe is just a far flung segment of a Super-powered thingy's Mental processes.

One very arcane argument, about the earliest part of the official D&D timeline,
is that the Abyss came first, and then Law and Good slowly battled themselves (?) away from the Abyss.
That means either the Dream or the One Mind , was/is Chaotic Evil as it's foundation.
Or maybe that it is what it is, and our little minds comprehend it as Chaotic Evil. So judgmental us, not really know the Dream / One Mind.

[Prime32]

If a person grew up in low-gravity they would be taller than normal and lack many of the signs of aging, but be rather frail.

MOON ELVES!

[Endarire]

D&D worlds are all just games the overgods play with mortals.