Beguiler Beguiler

[gorfnad]

So in an upcoming campaign I will be playing a Beguiler (Shining South) Beguiler (PHBII). The DM has said that a Beguiler's favored class is Beguiler for the purposes of mutliclassing.
Any 3.5 (and non updated material from 3.0) WOTC material can be used except psionics. Campaign will start at 1st level and conceivably go into epic. I'm mainly looking for build ideas at this point.
So far I'm looking at:
Beguiler 6/ Mindbender 1/ Beguiler 1/ Spellthief 1/ Unseen Seer 2/ Divine Oracle 4/ Paragnostic Apostle 5
Beguiler 6/ Mindbender 1/ Beguiler 1/ Nightmare Spinner 5/ Escalation Mage 6/ X 1
Beguiler 1/ Wizard 3/ Spellthief 1/ Unseen Seer 2/ Ultimate Magus 10/ Unseen Seer 3
Beguiler 4/ Shadowcaster 3/ Noctumancer 10/ Mystic Theurge 3
Beguiler 6/ Warlock 4/ Eldritch Theurge 10
And yes I've looked at the New Beguiler's Handbook http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=2322.0

[Levithix]

I've never played as a beguiler, but I've played with them in the party. Your friends will probably like you more if you resist the temptation to turn on the party for the hell of it ... mine always seem to turn on me.

[woodenbandman]

I'm playing a Warforged Beguiler in an upcoming eberron campaign. I was thinking about something similar to that 3rd build you put up there.

I've always been a fan of the Ultimate Magus beguiler. I was wondering if there was any way I could do that without wizard, as I'd prefer to not have prepared casting.

Sorry about the threadjack, but if you think about it it's pretty relevant.

[kurashu]

You may want to see if your DM will let you use the Shadowcraft Mage with the change of Race: Gnome to Special: Must be a member in a Shadowcraft Cabal as suggested by the book.

Beguiler 5/Mindbender 1/Beguiler +2/Shadowcraft Mage 5/Shadow Adept 6/Nightmare Spinner 1 would be a powerful build.

Take the pre-reqs for Shadowcraft + Heighten + Shadow Weave, you may also want to consider the feat from Complete Mage that lets spontaneous casters make actual use of metamagic by not increasing the casting time on it.

Depends on what you want though.

Also, a note, if you do take a level of wizard, make him a focused specialist conjurer (drop illusion, enchantment and evocation) and take the specialist variant presented in PHB II to get Abrupt Jaunt -- otherwise known as "OHSHI- BYE!" -- feature instead of a familiar.

[gorfnad]

I've always been a fan of the Ultimate Magus beguiler. I was wondering if there was any way I could do that without wizard, as I'd prefer to not have prepared casting.

Not easily considering the prereqs, note bolded part.

Skills: Knowledge (arcana) 4 ranks, Spellcraft 8 ranks.
Feats: Any metamagic feat.
Spellcasting: Able to spontaneously cast 1st-level arcane
spells, able to prepare and cast 2nd-level arcane spells
from a spellbook.

[gorfnad]

You may want to see if your DM will let you use the Shadowcraft Mage with the change of Race: Gnome to Special: Must be a member in a Shadowcraft Cabal as suggested by the book.

Beguiler 5/Mindbender 1/Beguiler +2/Shadowcraft Mage 5/Shadow Adept 6/Nightmare Spinner 1 would be a powerful build.

Take the pre-reqs for Shadowcraft + Heighten + Shadow Weave, you may also want to consider the feat from Complete Mage that lets spontaneous casters make actual use of metamagic by not increasing the casting time on it.

Sadly my DM will not do that.

Also, a note, if you do take a level of wizard, make him a focused specialist conjurer (drop illusion, enchantment and evocation) and take the specialist variant presented in PHB II to get Abrupt Jaunt -- otherwise known as "OHSHI- BYE!" -- feature instead of a familiar.

That I will probably do if I go the Ultimate Magus route. 

[The_Mad_Linguist]

I've always been a fan of the Ultimate Magus beguiler. I was wondering if there was any way I could do that without wizard, as I'd prefer to not have prepared casting.

Not easily considering the prereqs, note bolded part.

Skills: Knowledge (arcana) 4 ranks, Spellcraft 8 ranks.
Feats: Any metamagic feat.
Spellcasting: Able to spontaneously cast 1st-level arcane
spells, able to prepare and cast 2nd-level arcane spells
from a spellbook.

There's a feat for that.


Make sure one of your party members is a shifter shifter.

[Negative Zero]

And a Half-Ogre Half-Ogre.

[Solo]

Pikachu!

[gorfnad]

Pikachu!

I think that would be a Half-Lightning Elemental (or Lightning Elemental Bloodline) Beguiler Warmage with Energy Substitution: Electric that prestiges into Elemental Savant.

Seriously though, does anyone have any other build or feat ideas for a Beguiler Beguiler?

[Agita]

Pikachu!

I think that would be a Half-Lightning Elemental (or Lightning Elemental Bloodline) Beguiler Warmage with Energy Substitution: Electric that prestiges into Elemental Savant.

Beguiler Totemist/Duskblade for full attack channeling+lots of attacks+Shocking Grasp.