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Re: Monsters with innate spellcasting
« Reply #40 on: April 28, 2010, 11:11:08 AM »
Firre Eladrin are the way to go with Assume Supernatural Ability (or outright Shapechange) and the Lyric Spell feat. They have unlimited Bardic Music uses, so basically unlimited spells! Also, there are other (ab)uses for unlimited Bardic Music.
Although not related to spellcasting per se, a Firre Stormsinger would be quite interesting...
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Re: Monsters with innate spellcasting
« Reply #41 on: April 28, 2010, 03:35:53 PM »
Stormcasting relies on perform checks as much as on music uses, so unless you also optimize your perform skill... which is pretty easy now I come to think of it!

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Re: Monsters with innate spellcasting
« Reply #42 on: April 28, 2010, 08:16:11 PM »

Um. How does Intensify Manifest Zone help if you aren't, say, in a manifest zone already? If you meant Planar Bubble, then carry on.

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Re: Monsters with innate spellcasting
« Reply #43 on: June 16, 2010, 08:56:35 AM »
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Re: Monsters with innate spellcasting
« Reply #44 on: June 16, 2010, 12:49:52 PM »
Dragonlance Bestiary of Krynn has the Kyrie(4HD+3LA with 3rd level mystic casting), Huldrefolk(6HD+8LA 8th level sorcerer + some domainrelated stuff) and Noble Draconians(Green is 4HD+3LA 4th level mystic, Blue is 6HD+5LA 6th level paladin).
And, of course, the broken Dragonspawn templates with their 1st level Sorc-casting :rollseyes

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Re: Monsters with innate spellcasting
« Reply #45 on: July 17, 2010, 07:02:04 PM »
The entries with ? for some FF monsters should all be - except the Varrangoin who specifically list 'as characters' but have no LA. I'd eyeball it at LA+3 but I found it strange the errata and update make no mention of any of the ? monsters.
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Re: Monsters with innate spellcasting
« Reply #46 on: August 27, 2010, 11:36:33 AM »
Dragonlance Bestiary of Krynn has the Kyrie(4HD+3LA with 3rd level mystic casting), Huldrefolk(6HD+8LA 8th level sorcerer + some domainrelated stuff) and Noble Draconians(Green is 4HD+3LA 4th level mystic, Blue is 6HD+5LA 6th level paladin).
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And, of course, the broken Dragonspawn templates with their 1st level Sorc-casting :rollseyes
I haven't added any templates yet; mainly because there are almost none in WotC-published material (Monster of Legend is the sole exception I think). Well, apart from the DLCS version of dragonspawn...



The entries with ? for some FF monsters should all be - except the Varrangoin who specifically list 'as characters' but have no LA. I'd eyeball it at LA+3 but I found it strange the errata and update make no mention of any of the ? monsters.
Yeah, that's exactly why they're ? - I couldn't find any LA on them, not even —, so I figured if someone knew they were at last updated - on the website, in a forum post by an author, or if it's been reprinted in an adventure or outside WotC etc - they would tell me.

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Re: Monsters with innate spellcasting
« Reply #47 on: September 12, 2010, 09:51:57 PM »
Cheshire cats cast as third level sorcerers.  3 HD/3LA small fey eschew materials as racial bonus feat.  Access to feline feats.
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Re: Monsters with innate spellcasting
« Reply #48 on: September 12, 2010, 11:22:53 PM »
Cheshire cats cast as third level sorcerers.  3 HD/3LA small fey eschew materials as racial bonus feat.  Access to feline feats.
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« Reply #49 on: September 14, 2010, 09:03:43 PM »
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Re: Monsters with innate spellcasting
« Reply #50 on: September 14, 2010, 09:45:47 PM »
Firre Eladrin are the way to go with Assume Supernatural Ability (or outright Shapechange) and the Lyric Spell feat. They have unlimited Bardic Music uses, so basically unlimited spells! Also, there are other (ab)uses for unlimited Bardic Music.

Unlimited bardic music?  Source PLEASE!
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Re: Monsters with innate spellcasting
« Reply #51 on: September 15, 2010, 05:25:53 AM »
Firre Eladrin are the way to go with Assume Supernatural Ability (or outright Shapechange) and the Lyric Spell feat. They have unlimited Bardic Music uses, so basically unlimited spells! Also, there are other (ab)uses for unlimited Bardic Music.

Unlimited bardic music?  Source PLEASE!
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Re: Monsters with innate spellcasting
« Reply #52 on: September 15, 2010, 06:36:44 AM »
Firre Eladrin are the way to go with Assume Supernatural Ability (or outright Shapechange) and the Lyric Spell feat. They have unlimited Bardic Music uses, so basically unlimited spells! Also, there are other (ab)uses for unlimited Bardic Music.

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Re: Monsters with innate spellcasting
« Reply #53 on: October 01, 2010, 06:04:30 PM »
Firre Eladrin are the way to go with Assume Supernatural Ability (or outright Shapechange) and the Lyric Spell feat. They have unlimited Bardic Music uses, so basically unlimited spells! Also, there are other (ab)uses for unlimited Bardic Music.

firre eladin have no listed LA, making them unplayable.... oh, wait polymorph shenanigans, nevermind.  carry on.

And last i checked they were in the manual of the planes.
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Re: Monsters with innate spellcasting
« Reply #54 on: October 02, 2010, 06:28:46 AM »
Yes, they're in Manual of the Planes, which is 3.0, but they were never updated, afaik.

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Re: Monsters with innate spellcasting
« Reply #55 on: October 02, 2010, 08:52:04 AM »
Yes, they're in Manual of the Planes, which is 3.0, but they were never updated, afaik.

They were reprinted in Book Of Exalted Deeds, which came out just a few months after the 3.5 changeover. In BoED they have +10 LA (and hence ECL 18). Aside from changes to fit 3.5 formatting, their abilities are almost identical, including identical wording of the Song ability. The only changes I see on a quick once-over are that their DR changed from 20/+2 to 10/cold iron or evil, and eladrin in general had their acid and cold resistance cut from 20 to 10 for some reason.
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