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A question of alignment...
« on: August 19, 2009, 01:17:22 AM »
First, I hope this is in the right forum.

With that out of the way, I was wondering what alignment you think 'The Man With No Name', as portrayed by Clint Eastwood, would have in DnD?  I haven't the slightest inkling as to where he would go, so I petition your aid.

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Re: A question of alignment...
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2009, 06:33:53 PM »
Interesting question. "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" is one of my favorite movies, and I've seen it dozens of times, so my answers will be heavily biased towards his depiction in that movie as opposed to the others in the "series".

I'd say he's chaotic neutral. He is sympathetic towards the suffering of innocents (he gives the dying young soldier his cigar and sits with him while he dies, for example), but he is also capable of being very cruel (he leaves Tuco in the desert to die), and he is a criminal. He doesn't seem to have a very strong code that he adheres to, or be methodical in some predictable way, either. He is clever and adaptable, but not random or crazy (as many CN characters in D&D seem to be portrayed-poorly). I could see an argument for him being CG, but he is ultimately very self-serving, and not a crusader for freedom or anything else (except filling his pockets).
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Re: A question of alignment...
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2009, 08:09:35 PM »
I was leaning almost towards lawful neutral for many of the same reasons, but I was having a hard time with it due to his obvious criminality and lack of an obvious code (except filling his pockets).  I guess that take was influenced by Yojimbo as well, I see some of Sanjuro's Bushido in the Man With No Name, but it is a stretch.  My view was definitely colored by many (including my own) steriotypical CN portrayals, he just seems too in control to be truly chaotic.

[spoiler]My primary reasoning comes from A Fistful of Dollars, as he sees both of the criminal families done in, leaving San Miguel with a relative peace, with the governments of Mexico and the United States coming in (I always presumed to fill the power vacuum).  But then again, in For a Few Dollars More the Man With No Name is a bounty hunter, ruthless, remorseless, who seems less interested in bringing people to justice than in making money off of their capture (or more often killing).  That said, everything he does is done to further his agenda, even when helping rob the Bank of El Paso.  In the duel at the end it is difficult to ascertain his motives, because he gives Mortimer the chance to get revenge (the big reveal comes after, but clearly Manco knew something was up, given the pocketwatch) but in doing so he still gets his bounty.  Maybe that one is one of those confluences of interest where the (well, presumably) good act and the self serving act are the same...but maybe not.[/spoiler]

I agree with your assessment of The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly, but with the addendum that I'm still not sure the chaotic descriptor fits.  Regardless, he's a fascinating character.

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Re: A question of alignment...
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2009, 09:17:11 PM »
I'll 2nd PhaeXY.

Clint plays that type a lot. And he almost always leaves town.
CN is sometimes looked at as Madness, but it isn't.
Pandemonium next door to Limbo, gives everybody low level Madness.
There's a prison for one of the evil Dwarf gods, in the Abyss, that's a combo of Carceri + Madness.
So being imprisoned in your madness, is more of a CE in D&D.
Clint isn't mad.
The various races on Limbo can impose their will on the plane itself, and shape it in the way they see fit.
Just not the whole plane, and this is kinda what Clint does wherever he goes in the movies.