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Lots of Vows, Peace Poverty and NonViolence.
« on: August 18, 2009, 12:16:55 PM »
Char is lvl 3-4 for game that was started about 4 months ago. Game is a little out of hand 4 clerics, 3 bards, 1 Warmage and a paladin. I want to build a char using the three vows so looks something like this,
1 Vow of Poverty, Sacred Vow, *Vow of Peace,
2 * Vow of Nonviolence
3
*indicates exalted bonus feat

What would be the best char to stick this on? I know I have to deal subdual dmg. I was thinking a Monk/cleric/sacred fist, or a fighter/sorc (battle sorc var)/abj champion. Kind of a buffing Melee char? I also thought about Druid/Planar Shepherd and taking the Angel Plane for some awesome duel casting but not sure if the game will go past 12.

All Books except dragon mags are open. My goal is to shatter weapons on my skin when the manage to hit and to have a low char.

Currently at lvl 3 the armor bonus is 8(4nat 4 deflection) + 5(exalted armor).  I'm open to all suggestions and just fishing for ideas/skeletons/builds whatever. I'm open to feat suggestions and being pointed in a general direction.

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Re: Lots of Vows, Peace Poverty and NonViolence.
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2009, 12:20:29 PM »
Monks' ability to deal non-lethal damage without penalty is convenient for Vow of Nonviolence, and their stunning fist benefits from the DC boost.

Incarnate and totemist from Magic of Incarnum have abilities which take up item slots, so they're always good for a Vow of Poverty character (forget soulborn, it sucks).

Monks and totemists will both be using a lot of natural attacks, so be usre to take Touch of Golden Ice as one of your bonus Exalted feats.

If you can get your eldritch blast to deal non-lethal damage, a warlock with Purify Spell-Like ability could work.


I always find it fun to take Vow of Peace in Eberron then go around slaughtering warforged. :p
« Last Edit: August 18, 2009, 12:29:50 PM by Prime32 »
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Re: Lots of Vows, Peace Poverty and NonViolence.
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2009, 12:23:13 PM »
Druid is generally considered the best choice as its spells and wildshape address most of the weaknesses of Vow of Poverty.  Also consider the saint template whenever you qualify for it. :)
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Re: Lots of Vows, Peace Poverty and NonViolence.
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2009, 12:27:30 PM »
Someone recommended dragonborn warforged saint before for a ton of immunities.
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The tier system in a nutshell:
[spoiler]Tier 6: A cartographer.
Tier 5: An expert cartographer or a decent marksman.
Tier 4: An expert marksman.
Tier 3: An expert marksman, cartographer and chef who can tie strong knots and is trained in hostage negotiation or a marksman so good he can shoot down every bullet fired by a minigun while armed with a rusted single-shot pistol that veers to the left.
Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
Tier 1: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything and the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.[/spoiler]

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Re: Lots of Vows, Peace Poverty and NonViolence.
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2009, 12:27:55 PM »
never thought of incarnet. I'd have to read alot more to understand it. I skimmed it once before though. Ya I was thinking Druid but don't know how to be ok with Vow of Nonviolence and peace. Need to deal sub dmg.  Barb with Rightous Wrath might be fun. Move into bear warrior for huge con boost so weapons break against my Chest Muscles (barb handbook on gitp). Hmm Barb + Fist of the Forest + Bear Warrior. Getting the feats in would be hard though.

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Re: Lots of Vows, Peace Poverty and NonViolence.
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2009, 12:29:41 PM »
um how do I deal nonlethal with natural weapons though?

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The tier system in a nutshell:
[spoiler]Tier 6: A cartographer.
Tier 5: An expert cartographer or a decent marksman.
Tier 4: An expert marksman.
Tier 3: An expert marksman, cartographer and chef who can tie strong knots and is trained in hostage negotiation or a marksman so good he can shoot down every bullet fired by a minigun while armed with a rusted single-shot pistol that veers to the left.
Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
Tier 1: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything and the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.[/spoiler]

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Re: Lots of Vows, Peace Poverty and NonViolence.
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2009, 12:36:20 PM »
I went and read that feat out of  BoED it just says melee weapons, I can hit you with broad side of sword. But How do I love tap with claws?

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Re: Lots of Vows, Peace Poverty and NonViolence.
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2009, 12:40:57 PM »
Ok Druidic Avenger, swap out fast movement for Pounce (says exactly like a barb so maybe I can convince dm of this), take 3rd feat as Subduing strike, take rightous wrath as 4th level bonus feat. Pump Con and Wis, Con for breaking weapons when they do hit me, dump down str dex, take ape shapes so I can use a club. Enter Planar Shepherd and see how long the game lasts?

6th level feat Nat spell and Bonus feat golden ice
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Re: Lots of Vows, Peace Poverty and NonViolence.
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2009, 12:49:03 PM »
I went and read that feat out of  BoED it just says melee weapons, I can hit you with broad side of sword. But How do I love tap with claws?

Weapons are either melee or ranged. Claws are not ranged weapons. :p
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The tier system in a nutshell:
[spoiler]Tier 6: A cartographer.
Tier 5: An expert cartographer or a decent marksman.
Tier 4: An expert marksman.
Tier 3: An expert marksman, cartographer and chef who can tie strong knots and is trained in hostage negotiation or a marksman so good he can shoot down every bullet fired by a minigun while armed with a rusted single-shot pistol that veers to the left.
Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
Tier 1: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything and the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.[/spoiler]

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Re: Lots of Vows, Peace Poverty and NonViolence.
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2009, 12:54:12 PM »
So natural attacks just fall in the cat of Melee? Just double checking cuz my dm can be a douche. He would be like "oh did you bite some one?" NO FEATS FOR U!

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Re: Lots of Vows, Peace Poverty and NonViolence.
« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2009, 03:16:29 PM »
So natural attacks just fall in the cat of Melee? Just double checking cuz my dm can be a douche. He would be like "oh did you bite some one?" NO FEATS FOR U!

Don't take the Vows then. If your DM has this kind of attitude, the last thing you want to do is make a character with one of the Vows.


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Re: Lots of Vows, Peace Poverty and NonViolence.
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2009, 03:43:12 PM »
Hoping to annoy him with the breaking of weapons and see how long it can last, The poverty I know I can keep, the peace and nonvoilence I was going to break around 14-15 when I can get angelic forms. I figured the extra armor would make me a tank till then. But Ya I see your point.

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Re: Lots of Vows, Peace Poverty and NonViolence.
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2009, 03:48:16 PM »
Yeah, go ahead, break part of the treasure the rest of your party would have gotten otherwise :rollseyes
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Re: Lots of Vows, Peace Poverty and NonViolence.
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2009, 03:53:43 PM »
Well when you put it like that it doesn't sound like fun :(

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Re: Lots of Vows, Peace Poverty and NonViolence.
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2009, 04:12:36 PM »
Char is lvl 3-4 for game that was started about 4 months ago. Game is a little out of hand 4 clerics, 3 bards, 1 Warmage and a paladin. I want to build a char using the three vows so looks something like this,
1 Vow of Poverty, Sacred Vow, *Vow of Peace,
2 * Vow of Nonviolence
3
*indicates exalted bonus feat

For the record, Vow of Nonviolence must be taken before Vow of Peace.

Yeah, go ahead, break part of the treasure the rest of your party would have gotten otherwise :rollseyes

Doesn't Vow of Poverty require you to give it away to charity anyways? Your party is not an option, as I recall.
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Re: Lots of Vows, Peace Poverty and NonViolence.
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Re: Lots of Vows, Peace Poverty and NonViolence.
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2009, 04:42:07 PM »
I suggest putting something in your backstory about a well-maintained prison which gives you "teleportation shackles" to put on defeated enemies. Leadership and/or Landlord could help here.

Either that or find a way to transform your enemies into undead/constructs without killing them. They're fair game, after all. :D


EDIT: There is also a PrC in BoED which specialises in brainwashing people into good through Diplomacy checks. You get a few bonuses from your Vows anyway, so it's a worthwhile option as part of a Diplomancer build.
« Last Edit: August 18, 2009, 04:46:33 PM by Prime32 »
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The tier system in a nutshell:
[spoiler]Tier 6: A cartographer.
Tier 5: An expert cartographer or a decent marksman.
Tier 4: An expert marksman.
Tier 3: An expert marksman, cartographer and chef who can tie strong knots and is trained in hostage negotiation or a marksman so good he can shoot down every bullet fired by a minigun while armed with a rusted single-shot pistol that veers to the left.
Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
Tier 1: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything and the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.[/spoiler]

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Re: Lots of Vows, Peace Poverty and NonViolence.
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2009, 05:51:13 PM »
Well when you put it like that it doesn't sound like fun :(

That pretty much sums up how I feel about all of the vow feats.

By the way, as an alternative a beguiler is a pretty good match-up for the vows - no spellbook, and the only spell on your list that you can't cast is power word, kill (and why would you ever cast that anyhow?)  In return for 4 feats (Sacred Vow, Nonviolence, Poverty, and Peace), you get ridiculously high diplomacy checks, lots of armor, and +4 to the DCs of all your spells.  Not worth it in games with lots of gear available, but still pretty solid for games where characters never manage to reach their WBL.


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Re: Lots of Vows, Peace Poverty and NonViolence.
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2009, 05:59:42 PM »
I suggest putting something in your backstory about a well-maintained prison which gives you "teleportation shackles" to put on defeated enemies. Leadership and/or Landlord could help here.

Either that or find a way to transform your enemies into undead/constructs without killing them. They're fair game, after all. :D


EDIT: There is also a PrC in BoED which specialises in brainwashing people into good through Diplomacy checks. You get a few bonuses from your Vows anyway, so it's a worthwhile option as part of a Diplomancer build.

Better make sure the backstory shackles are in the possession of your party-mates and not you. Otherwise, you lose VoPoverty. :P Good idea, though. The emissary of barachiel would help (that's the one I think you're thinking of) along with a VERY high diplomacy score - just convert the entire dungeon into good-aligned helpers.

On balance, I really like VoPoverty, especially on monks, druids, and totemists (of course). Druids are best, and you can play up the smelly-dirty-hippy angle. VoN and VoPeace are considerably harder to pull off in a somewhat-normal game and actually have relatively low payoff. Sure, you can't attack a VoPeace character, but my Totemist/Incarnate with Mantle of Flame will do 3d6 or so fire damage to you every time you attack him (depending on what level you're talking about, of course), which makes the bad guys tend to find someone else to hit pretty quickly.