Author Topic: How do classes on tier 5-6 deal with diminutive swarms? Can they deal at all? (Read 8591 times)

lans · « **on:** July 31, 2009, 05:41:33 PM »

I wanted to know if there was an efficient item or something.

The Lurker · « **Reply #1 on:** July 31, 2009, 06:05:31 PM »

Quote from: lans on July 31, 2009, 05:41:33 PM

I wanted to know if there was an efficient item or something.

Splash weapons harm them. It's not much, but you can just target the square the swarm is in and toss an alchemist's fire at it every round at your maximum distance and just take a move action to get further away. But really, you just want to have an AoE direct damage such as a breath weapon or scroll of fireball.

awaken DM golem · « **Reply #2 on:** July 31, 2009, 06:16:15 PM »

The_Mad_Linguist · « **Reply #3 on:** July 31, 2009, 06:19:05 PM »

Enveloping pit full of lanterns?

archangel.arcanis · « **Reply #4 on:** July 31, 2009, 06:33:32 PM »

they ask a real PC to kill the swarm for them.

necroramo · « **Reply #5 on:** July 31, 2009, 08:14:02 PM »

swarmfighting weapon enhancement from Dungeonscape

lans · « **Reply #6 on:** August 01, 2009, 12:29:07 AM »

Quote from: necroramo on July 31, 2009, 08:14:02 PM

swarmfighting weapon enhancement from Dungeonscape

This seems oddly worded, but I think this works to deal with swarms. +1 valorous swarmstrike lance then.
Thanks

Suzerain · « **Reply #7 on:** August 03, 2009, 07:45:13 PM »

Quote from: awaken DM golem on July 31, 2009, 06:16:15 PM

Question: Wielding a torch, is extra damage from Weapon Specialization, Power Attack, Maneuvers, Sneak Attack, etc. fire damage, too? I've known the cantrip + Sneak Attack combo, but I've never considered this. Are there other weapons that deal elemental damage exclusively (except for splash weapons. They suck.)? A warblade could switch to torches relatively easily..

Also, are there any magical torches that can be used to cause fire damage?

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You could say Dark Speech at the swarm.
Commoner 1 with nothing could have it.
The swarm would then consider it's options.

That only works against swarms with int 2 or lower, though.

Does someone know what the Martial Adepts can do about swarms besides the things already mentioned?

Ithamar · « **Reply #8 on:** August 03, 2009, 08:24:05 PM »

A Swordsage could probably do just fine against swarms with the Desert Wind manuevers that deal fire damage, do AoE damage, etc. A Crusader or Warblade could use White Raven stuff to let the wizard / sorcerer handle the swarms.

Anklebite · « **Reply #9 on:** August 03, 2009, 10:23:22 PM »

yeah, but TOB chars are not 5th-6th tier, more like 3rd-4th. thats about the difference in tiers of a psywar and a wizard...

Suzerain · « **Reply #10 on:** August 03, 2009, 10:44:48 PM »

Sorry, it didn't seem too off-topic to ask it here. I know Martial Adepts aren't Tier 5-6, but I wanted to ask regardless.

Solo · « **Reply #11 on:** August 05, 2009, 05:14:22 PM »

Set yourself on fire.

Swarms can't catch you if you're on fire.

Sinfire Titan · « **Reply #12 on:** August 05, 2009, 05:18:09 PM »

Quote from: Suzerain on August 03, 2009, 10:44:48 PM

Sorry, it didn't seem too off-topic to ask it here. I know Martial Adepts aren't Tier 5-6, but I wanted to ask regardless.

Swordsages just use something like Hatchling's Flame, or an item.

And any good-aligned character can become a Dragonborn with the Heart aspect to take care of swarms.

bkdubs123 · « **Reply #13 on:** August 05, 2009, 05:25:52 PM »

Quote from: Solo on August 05, 2009, 05:14:22 PM

Set yourself on fire.

Swarms can't catch you if you're on fire.

Silly Solo, that's Ninjas!

Okay, so what about swarms that are immune to fire?

Suzerain · « **Reply #14 on:** August 05, 2009, 05:50:59 PM »

So from the gist of this, it's not a good idea to throw swarms that cast spells or have otherwise powerful attack options on an unprepared party unless parts of the party can hide and/or protect themselves from any or most of the swarm's attacks until such time that the spell casters have sorted things out.

Akalsaris · « **Reply #15 on:** August 05, 2009, 07:55:14 PM »

That would be a pretty fair assumption.

Solo · « **Reply #16 on:** August 05, 2009, 09:31:27 PM »

Quote from: bkdubs123 on August 05, 2009, 05:25:52 PM

Okay, so what about swarms that are immune to fire?

Set yourself on cold

The_Mad_Linguist · « **Reply #17 on:** August 05, 2009, 09:38:05 PM »

Coat yourself in contact poison.

Anklebite · « **Reply #18 on:** August 06, 2009, 02:33:10 AM »

Quote from: The_Mad_Linguist on August 05, 2009, 09:38:05 PM

Coat yourself in contact poison.

and be a warforged. warforged, or willing to roll hundreds of saves.....

The_Mad_Linguist · « **Reply #19 on:** August 06, 2009, 02:33:50 AM »

Trouserfang dwarf.

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Author Topic: How do classes on tier 5-6 deal with diminutive swarms? Can they deal at all? (Read 8591 times)