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Q 203 If a mounted character rides out of an enemy's threatened square, do both the rider and the mount provoke AoOs?

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Q 203 If a mounted character rides out of an enemy's threatened square, do both the rider and the mount provoke AoOs?
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I'd say that since moving out of a threatened square is a single provoking action, that the enemy would get to take its pick on which one he gets to take a swing at (seeing as the mount and rider are essentially a single unit).

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Re: Ask a simple question, get a simple answer, part IV, never gonna give you up
« Reply #743 on: September 17, 2009, 11:25:46 PM »
A203

The horse certainly provokes.  The rider is complicated; I'd generally treat him as having used a "full round withdrawal" action unless otherwise specified, but that's a houserule.  I'm not aware of any clear definition here, or even a clear statement of exactly which "square" the rider is in.  I'd give the rider the benefit of the doubt, unless the opponent is giving chase, or the rider's tromping right past some enemies mid-movement.


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The horse certainly provokes.  The rider is complicated; I'd generally treat him as having used a "full round withdrawal" action unless otherwise specified, but that's a houserule.  I'm not aware of any clear definition here, or even a clear statement of exactly which "square" the rider is in.  I'd give the rider the benefit of the doubt, unless the opponent is giving chase, or the rider's tromping right past some enemies mid-movement.

Technically, the mount is doing all the movement. The rider is carried along. Controlling a mount is a free action, and so is hiding behind it (albeit it requires a Ride check), so even assuming the enemy got two AoOs from the same action, the rider could just dive behind his mount for cover.

So even assuming your decision is a houserule, it's close enough to RAW that it might as well be RAW.
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Technically, the mount is doing all the movement. The rider is carried along. Controlling a mount is a free action, and so is hiding behind it (albeit it requires a Ride check), so even assuming the enemy got two AoOs from the same action, the rider could just dive behind his mount for cover.

So even assuming your decision is a houserule, it's close enough to RAW that it might as well be RAW.
It doesn't matter if you move of your own volition or not, if you leave a threatened square, you provoke. You can provoke by being bull rushed. So they'd both provoke, but the rider could "take cover", as you noted (which would prevent the AoO in the first place...).
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Q 203 If a mounted character rides out of an enemy's threatened square, do both the rider and the mount provoke AoOs?
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When you and our mount move, you both are subject to attacks of opportunity from your foes (your mount might be the one actually doing the moving, but you're moving as well). For example, when you and your mount leave a threatened space, you both provoke attacks of opportunity from foes that threaten that space. A foe who can make multiple attacks of opportunity in a round (for example, a foe with a high Dexterity score and the Combat Reflexes feat) can make an attack of opportunity against you and one against your mount.

As an optional rule, you might want to treat a rider and a trained war mount (or a special mount, such as a paladin's warhorse) as a single creature in battle. When the pair moves, they provoke one attack of opportunity for each foe that threatens them, not one each.

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Technically, the mount is doing all the movement. The rider is carried along. Controlling a mount is a free action, and so is hiding behind it (albeit it requires a Ride check), so even assuming the enemy got two AoOs from the same action, the rider could just dive behind his mount for cover.

So even assuming your decision is a houserule, it's close enough to RAW that it might as well be RAW.
It doesn't matter if you move of your own volition or not, if you leave a threatened square, you provoke. You can provoke by being bull rushed. So they'd both provoke, but the rider could "take cover", as you noted (which would prevent the AoO in the first place...).

It should be noted that the rider is considered to be in higher terrain. A picky DM might argue that reach is necessary to make that AoO.
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Technically, the mount is doing all the movement. The rider is carried along. Controlling a mount is a free action, and so is hiding behind it (albeit it requires a Ride check), so even assuming the enemy got two AoOs from the same action, the rider could just dive behind his mount for cover.

So even assuming your decision is a houserule, it's close enough to RAW that it might as well be RAW.
It doesn't matter if you move of your own volition or not, if you leave a threatened square, you provoke. You can provoke by being bull rushed. So they'd both provoke, but the rider could "take cover", as you noted (which would prevent the AoO in the first place...).

It should be noted that the rider is considered to be in higher terrain. A picky DM might argue that reach is necessary to make that AoO.
I'd love to see a RAW quotation that says reach is needed to hit a mounted rider.
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Technically, the mount is doing all the movement. The rider is carried along. Controlling a mount is a free action, and so is hiding behind it (albeit it requires a Ride check), so even assuming the enemy got two AoOs from the same action, the rider could just dive behind his mount for cover.

So even assuming your decision is a houserule, it's close enough to RAW that it might as well be RAW.
It doesn't matter if you move of your own volition or not, if you leave a threatened square, you provoke. You can provoke by being bull rushed. So they'd both provoke, but the rider could "take cover", as you noted (which would prevent the AoO in the first place...).

It should be noted that the rider is considered to be in higher terrain. A picky DM might argue that reach is necessary to make that AoO.
I'd love to see a RAW quotation that says reach is needed to hit a mounted rider.

If I recall correctly, in the PHB under mounted combat, it states that a rider occupies the same squares as the mount, and can be attacked equivalently the same as the mount.
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Q204:
I have been running this scenario through my mind a bunch, and want to hear someone elses oppinion. This is it:

Iaijutsu Focus: when your opponent is caught flat footed, you can make a Iaijutsu skill check and deal extra damage.

Strike with no thought: If an iaijutsu master of 10th level begins combat (not an iaijutsu duel) within melee range of an opponent, she gains a free surprise round, even though her opponents are aware of her presence . The only action the iaijutsu master can take in this surprise round is an attack action using a katana.  This treats the target as flat-footed, and thus triggers Iaijutsu Focus.

Psionic Lion's Charge: after a charge, you may make your full attack action.

So, the question is this, if I have an opportunity to Strike with No Thought, can I charge in and get my Iaijutu extra damage on each attack in my full attack (granted from psionic lions charge)?  and does the extra damage apply ony to the first strike, or to all?  because the target is flatfooted, do i then just roll an Iaijutsu check for each swing? Also;

How would One Strike, Two Cuts apply in this situation, does it work with Psionic Lion's Charge as well?

One Strike, Two Cuts: At 8th level and above, an iaijutsu
master can make two attacks with a katana as a standard
action . This means she can strike twice and move in the same
round, or attack twice in the strike phase of an iaijutsu duel .

thanks for your help :)

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You left out the part of Iaijutsu Focus (IF) that says that you get the extra damage if you draw your weapon and attack while someone is flat-footed. The more restrictive reading of this is that you only get IF damage on the first attack after you draw your weapon.

Of course, there are ways to get around this limitation, like carrying 8 katanas and Quick Drawing them and dropping them after one attack each, or using a gnome quickrazor instead.

Due to One Strike, Two Cuts saying you can get "two attacks in the strike phase of an iaijutsu duel", I think you should get the bonus damage on both for it.
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"Check: If you attack a flat-footed opponent immediately after drawing a melee weapon, you can deal extra damage, based on the result of an Iaijutsu Focus check."

So wouldnt I be attacking them imediately after drawing my weapon? and isnt a full attack action(due to psionic lions charge) one whole attack? thanks for answering so fasst :)

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"Check: If you attack a flat-footed opponent immediately after drawing a melee weapon, you can deal extra damage, based on the result of an Iaijutsu Focus check."

So wouldnt I be attacking them imediately after drawing my weapon? and isnt a full attack action(due to psionic lions charge) one whole attack? thanks for answering so fasst :)
No, each time you roll to attack counts separately for Iajutsu Focus's check.  You'd have to draw your weapon prior to each attack roll, unless your DM went against the RAW.
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Assuming that's the exact text of the ability, you can't use Psionic Lion's Charge in that round because the only action you can take is an attack with your katana. Manifesting Psionic Lion's Charge is a swift action, which is a different action. Technically.
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Q204:
I have been running this scenario through my mind a bunch, and want to hear someone elses oppinion. This is it:

Iaijutsu Focus: when your opponent is caught flat footed, you can make a Iaijutsu skill check and deal extra damage.

Strike with no thought: If an iaijutsu master of 10th level begins combat (not an iaijutsu duel) within melee range of an opponent, she gains a free surprise round, even though her opponents are aware of her presence . The only action the iaijutsu master can take in this surprise round is an attack action using a katana.  This treats the target as flat-footed, and thus triggers Iaijutsu Focus.

Psionic Lion's Charge: after a charge, you may make your full attack action.

So, the question is this, if I have an opportunity to Strike with No Thought, can I charge in and get my Iaijutu extra damage on each attack in my full attack (granted from psionic lions charge)?  and does the extra damage apply ony to the first strike, or to all?  because the target is flatfooted, do i then just roll an Iaijutsu check for each swing? Also;

How would One Strike, Two Cuts apply in this situation, does it work with Psionic Lion's Charge as well?

One Strike, Two Cuts: At 8th level and above, an iaijutsu
master can make two attacks with a katana as a standard
action . This means she can strike twice and move in the same
round, or attack twice in the strike phase of an iaijutsu duel .

thanks for your help :)

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As it's been pointed out already, the easiest workaround is to carry more than one katana at a time and quickdraw them like hell. (Dunno about the Gnome Quickrazor mention; I'm not familiar with the item - does it sheathe itself automatically?) Here's what you COULD do:

Step 1: Gain surprise round. IF opponent. Use second attack (One Strike, Two Cuts) with Power Attack and Knockback (if possible) to send your opponent flying backwards. (Optional) Quickdraw a weapon for the AoO and trip your opponent.

Step 2: Activate Psionic Lion's Charge, charge, quickdraw katanas like hell. On your last attack, repeat the Knockback strategy so you'll remain within charging distance (assuming your opponent isn't bloody paste by now).

(Optional) If your DM is insane, buy a continuous item of Psionic Lion's Charge. It's better than spending a swift action to activate it, plus you don't need to worry about PP.
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Q204:
I have been running this scenario through my mind a bunch, and want to hear someone elses oppinion. This is it:

Iaijutsu Focus: when your opponent is caught flat footed, you can make a Iaijutsu skill check and deal extra damage.

Strike with no thought: If an iaijutsu master of 10th level begins combat (not an iaijutsu duel) within melee range of an opponent, she gains a free surprise round, even though her opponents are aware of her presence . The only action the iaijutsu master can take in this surprise round is an attack action using a katana.  This treats the target as flat-footed, and thus triggers Iaijutsu Focus.

Psionic Lion's Charge: after a charge, you may make your full attack action.

So, the question is this, if I have an opportunity to Strike with No Thought, can I charge in and get my Iaijutu extra damage on each attack in my full attack (granted from psionic lions charge)?  and does the extra damage apply ony to the first strike, or to all?  because the target is flatfooted, do i then just roll an Iaijutsu check for each swing? Also;

How would One Strike, Two Cuts apply in this situation, does it work with Psionic Lion's Charge as well?

One Strike, Two Cuts: At 8th level and above, an iaijutsu
master can make two attacks with a katana as a standard
action . This means she can strike twice and move in the same
round, or attack twice in the strike phase of an iaijutsu duel .

thanks for your help :)

~kate

As it's been pointed out already, the easiest workaround is to carry more than one katana at a time and quickdraw them like hell. (Dunno about the Gnome Quickrazor mention; I'm not familiar with the item - does it sheathe itself automatically?) Here's what you COULD do:

Step 1: Gain surprise round. IF opponent. Use second attack (One Strike, Two Cuts) with Power Attack and Knockback (if possible) to send your opponent flying backwards. (Optional) Quickdraw a weapon for the AoO and trip your opponent.

Step 2: Activate Psionic Lion's Charge, charge, quickdraw katanas like hell. On your last attack, repeat the Knockback strategy so you'll remain within charging distance (assuming your opponent isn't bloody paste by now).

(Optional) If your DM is insane, buy a continuous item of Psionic Lion's Charge. It's better than spending a swift action to activate it, plus you don't need to worry about PP.

You can sheathe a Gnome Quickrazor as a free action, that is the point of it.
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You can sheathe a Gnome Quickrazor as a free action, that is the point of it.

That's what I figured. Shame you can't make a Quickrazor katana...
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i guess i felt that a psionic charge attack with a katana WAS an attack action with a katana... Can someone define "attack action"? Please! Someone help me break Strike with No Thought!   

how would combat reflexes fit into the equation? with one strike, two cuts?
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A205From the SRD:
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Making an attack is a standard action.
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