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Re: Why Tier 6s are in Tier 6.
« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2010, 11:50:32 PM »
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Re: Why Tier 6s are in Tier 6.
« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2010, 03:24:20 AM »
I understand the CW Samurai being this low of a tier, but what of the 3.5 updated OA Samurai?
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Re: Why Tier 6s are in Tier 6.
« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2010, 03:31:57 AM »
OA's Tier 5.
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Re: Why Tier 6s are in Tier 6.
« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2010, 03:35:27 AM »
Quote from: Solo on November 15, 2010, 03:31:57 AM
OA's Tier 5.
So it is. Threw me off because I can't find it listed on the "Why Tier 5s are in Tier 5" thread.
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Re: Why Tier 6s are in Tier 6.
« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2010, 03:38:05 AM »
I may be thinking of the 3.0 OA Samurai, though.
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Re: Why Tier 6s are in Tier 6.
« Reply #45 on: November 15, 2010, 03:38:58 AM »
Not all classes are listed in these tier threads....
Some like the Incarnum classes are not listed either....
I think that the classes given in the threads are more like examples than a comprehesive list....
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Re: Why Tier 6s are in Tier 6.
« Reply #46 on: November 15, 2010, 03:42:09 AM »
Quote from: Solo on November 15, 2010, 03:38:05 AM
I may be thinking of the 3.0 OA Samurai, though.
Technically the same thing. Their sword upgrades get a little better. Basically at lvl 4 they get Axiomatic for free.

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Not all classes are listed in these tier threads....
Some like the Incarnum classes are not listed either....
I think that the classes given in the threads are more like examples than a comprehesive list....
It's on the regular Tier 5 list, it's just not explained why it's a tier 5 when it's obviously better than a Fighter, what with good Will. Maybe it's a higher end Tier 5, bordering on Tier 4, but it's selection of bonus feats based on what style of samurai you take might lower its worth.
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Re: Why Tier 6s are in Tier 6.
« Reply #47 on: November 15, 2010, 03:47:16 AM »
Indeed, OA Samurai isn't that great.  Iajuitsu Focus is solid, but the reduced feat rate compared to Fighters hurts, and the lists of available feats are quite poor.

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Re: Why Tier 6s are in Tier 6.
« Reply #48 on: November 16, 2010, 03:05:31 AM »
Its pretty much the same as the fighter.
Pros
The ability to enchant its daisho gives it an advantage in low magic type of campaigns. Its not crappy soulknife type of enhancement either, it can put flight on it. Or turn it into an intelligent item.

It also has a better skill list with things like sense motive that gives and advantage.

Better will save.

Cons
Less combat suitable, due to less feats, and less choices for feats.
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Re: Why Tier 6s are in Tier 6.
« Reply #49 on: November 16, 2010, 03:09:18 AM »
Quote from: lans on November 16, 2010, 03:05:31 AM
Its pretty much the same as the fighter.
Pros
The ability to enchant its daisho gives it an advantage in low magic type of campaigns. Its not crappy soulknife type of enhancement either, it can put flight on it. Or turn it into an intelligent item.

It also has a better skill list with things like sense motive that gives and advantage.

Better will save.

Cons
Less combat suitable, due to less feats, and less choices for feats.
Another pro is that the at 4th level they add on the axiomatic +2 enhancement for free. It's not what's officially stated, but that's what you'd get if you aren't in an OA campaign.

Note: If you have the Rokugan book, you gain access to even more bonus feats for the samurai.

EDIT: We should probably move this to the Tier 5 thread.
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Re: Why Tier 6s are in Tier 6.
« Reply #50 on: November 16, 2010, 10:02:13 PM »
OA Samurai 1 taken at level 4, is the whole class.
Without the book sitting in front of me, that ability is Craft Magic Arms and Armor.
Otherwise its a gimped Fighter, but with a few more skills and Iajitsu Focus.

And you "have" to role-play it ... (man giggle).
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Re: Why Tier 6s are in Tier 6.
« Reply #51 on: November 17, 2010, 10:35:26 PM »
Why at level 4? Wasn't the enchant swords level based or is it just money based? Thug varient fighter FTW.
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Re: Why Tier 6s are in Tier 6.
« Reply #52 on: November 18, 2010, 12:02:49 AM »
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Quote from: wotmaniac on September 11, 2009, 05:46:52 PM
Quote from: awaken DM golem on September 11, 2009, 05:11:47 PM
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yes it was.

I thought for sure amechra had necro'd this. He's slackin off; I wonder who else did it...

Feh, I don't necro the tier threads; I like to go for more obscure threads.

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Re: Why Tier 6s are in Tier 6.
« Reply #53 on: November 18, 2010, 08:23:28 PM »
Quote from: lans on November 17, 2010, 10:35:26 PM
Why at level 4? Wasn't the enchant swords level based or is it just money based? Thug varient fighter FTW.
iirc - at level 4 you get the +1 magic item enhancement. It's just a masterwork item before that.
You're kinda wasting a Class Feature before level 4. (more a design problem than anything else)
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