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a planned build
« on: July 14, 2009, 11:34:28 PM »
first off before we set out with the fun funky build there be rules m8
1st wounds and vitality from UA is in effect
2nd spell points are in effect, but you only have to spend the amount for the spell to get a max effect so its a really buffed up version of psionics
3rd psionics and magic dont mix in any way shape or form
4th true naming have been reduced to 15+cr instead of its cr squared thingy
5th every 5 levels you can spned 500xp to gain another feat increases by 500x each time ie 500 1000 1500 and so forth

guy has a hard on for epic levels so level 20 is in no way a limiting factor

stats to work with are
18
17
14
14
14
12

im using a custom Elf race +2int-2str, and i have the half air elemental template+3la, so ive got outsider and elf as my types

Im really looking at the either sorc or wizard spellwarp sniper, wyrm wizard, incanatrix lore master olsin gisir the ilk its going for a metamagic mailman

the 18 is going into int and 3 of my advancing skills will be arcana nature religion and of course spellcraft and concentration
 so im not sure how to allocate the other massive sp i've got sitting around.

what 5 spells should i grab from wyrm wizard? im really thinking i of course need favor of the martyr from paladin, but after that i cant think off the head of some epic awesome spells to grab from it

sorc or wizard sicne with sp everythign acts liek a sorcer, just the sorc has a ton and a half more sp but i love the pokedex feel of a wizard with massive int


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Re: a planned build
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2009, 12:28:44 AM »
I died a little inside when I read this post.  Check out the handbooks first.  Second, don't make the OP an eyesore.

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Re: a planned build
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2009, 01:21:27 AM »
well i admit im a little overwhelmed here and im not exactly sure how to go about it

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Re: a planned build
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2009, 01:28:52 AM »
All I was able to glean from that is that you were playing a spellcaster who was taking LA. Three, nonetheless.

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Re: a planned build
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2009, 01:36:51 AM »
well i admit im a little overwhelmed here and im not exactly sure how to go about it
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Re: a planned build
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2009, 01:50:15 AM »
when i get back from the movie tonight ill fix it up, however as it stands.

The +3 LA isnt a problem we have la buyoff, so by the time were all 19th level its bought off.
I thought i did a decent spellcheck sorry i missed a few.

Im looking for a decent combination going into the 30-40 level area with this guy.

Then i need to figure out a decent epic progression for the wyrm wizard since if i can continue to grab free spells from other classes list i can see tons o fun in that.

ill edit my post when i get back so until then have a good night guys

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Re: a planned build
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2009, 01:58:32 AM »
well i admit im a little overwhelmed here and im not exactly sure how to go about it

Don't worry too much, you've started off better than a number of others.

First, (regarding the op) you might want to be a bit more careful with spelling and grammar.
Mistakes are ok, but it is difficult to read and understand your post without some real effort.

Second, The Lurker gave some good advice.  There's plenty of handbooks both here and on the Wizards of the Coast forums that have oodles of tips and tricks to making characters.

Once you reach epic levels, Epic Spellcasting breaks the game in half.  If you're aiming for that, go ahead and go with wizard.
Once you get a build, postpone as many of the extra feats as you can.  If you can use them to buy epic feats at level 25, you can really load up.

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Re: a planned build
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2009, 06:35:58 AM »
well if its anything of note, the guys im dealing with think the only good thing epic is good for is grabbing the paragon template, and im honestly not sure if i want to break the hell outta the campaign with the im so smart spell combo.


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Re: a planned build
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2009, 01:02:53 PM »
You really should not be dealing with any adjustments with casters. Even if you can buy it off, you've got crappy hit die as is, so you can and will get nailed often if no one protects you. Its best that you should avoid the adjustments.

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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2009, 01:16:42 PM »
You really should not be dealing with any adjustments with casters. Even if you can buy it off, you've got crappy hit die as is, so you can and will get nailed often if no one protects you. Its best that you should avoid the adjustments.
It depends on what level he's starting at. You're kind of crazy not to use LA buyoff, if you're starting at a higher level, as templates are basically "free". You shouldn't be relying on hit points to survive as a caster, anyway. If you are, you're going to die regardless, as they suck as a defense. ;) Now... I agree that having more hit points is never a bad thing. I'm just providing a counter-argument.
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Re: a planned build
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2009, 01:31:15 PM »
well if its anything of note, the guys im dealing with think the only good thing epic is good for is grabbing the paragon template, and im honestly not sure if i want to break the hell outta the campaign with the im so smart spell combo.

It's less spell combos and more the fact that you can create really unbalanced spells with the epic spellcasting rules.

If your friends aren't taking advantage of good epic level abilities, you have an interesting job ahead of you.

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Re: a planned build
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2009, 02:39:58 PM »
     That is kind of what i'm afraid of doing. Cause all of these guys don't really read or optimize their Guy's very well.
i mean i'm the only spellcaster in the group, we have a summoner(think yuna ffx with truenaming), a lock whose spent all his feats on fey heritage, a crusader death delver illumian, 2 npc's played by the dm mostly for plot advancement, and me i've been the only full caster.

so i'm just kinda buggered about the epic thing yeah i've read how silly easy it is to make stupidly powerful spells with epic.


ill post a planned build later once i get some time

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Re: a planned build
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2009, 07:35:34 PM »
You really should not be dealing with any adjustments with casters. Even if you can buy it off, you've got crappy hit die as is, so you can and will get nailed often if no one protects you. Its best that you should avoid the adjustments.
It depends on what level he's starting at. You're kind of crazy not to use LA buyoff, if you're starting at a higher level, as templates are basically "free". You shouldn't be relying on hit points to survive as a caster, anyway. If you are, you're going to die regardless, as they suck as a defense. ;) Now... I agree that having more hit points is never a bad thing. I'm just providing a counter-argument.

Duly noted. In most cases, its to be assumed the DM's won't allow you to buy all of them off. So its generally a good idea to avoid anything that has a massive LA. I'd never use something more than a plus three, unless I'm gonna nova something to death with that template. I can respect the devil's advocate argument.

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Re: a planned build
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2009, 12:36:41 AM »
ok nuked the old build

now its a dragonwrought kobold with the loredrake sub attached to it

yeah yeah its cheesy but the guy doesnt have a problem with it

Dual threat build, druid3/sorc2/sand/2/arcane hierophant3
level 10 build at the moment

but i have 49k to spend and i have no idea what to spend it on
can i get some suggestions on gear for this guy?
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Re: a planned build
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2009, 03:15:47 PM »
Regarding your current build: This is good, but highly inappropriate if the rest of the party is as clumsily thrown together as you seem to be implying. The last thing you want to do is get yourself labeled a munchkin and give optimization a bad name. I would recommend either toning it down a lot or helping the rest of your group out with their chars.
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Re: a planned build
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2009, 05:25:02 PM »
they may be hastily thrown togtehr but i unlke the rest of them have to deal with wealth by level, and dont have wierdo house rules to back me up, i just have the cheese of a dragonwrought loredrake kobold druid to save me

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Re: a planned build
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2009, 03:42:38 PM »
ok nuked the old build

now its a dragonwrought kobold with the loredrake sub attached to it

yeah yeah its cheesy but the guy doesnt have a problem with it

Dual threat build, druid3/sorc2/sand/2/arcane hierophant3
level 10 build at the moment

but i have 49k to spend and i have no idea what to spend it on
can i get some suggestions on gear for this guy?

You can't take loredrake. Dragonwrought Kobolds are not true dragons

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Re: a planned build
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2009, 03:45:09 PM »
ok nuked the old build

now its a dragonwrought kobold with the loredrake sub attached to it

yeah yeah its cheesy but the guy doesnt have a problem with it

Dual threat build, druid3/sorc2/sand/2/arcane hierophant3
level 10 build at the moment

but i have 49k to spend and i have no idea what to spend it on
can i get some suggestions on gear for this guy?

You can't take loredrake. Dragonwrought Kobolds are not true dragons

He did say the DM was okay with it. And besides, in a game like this, you think it really matters? ;)
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Re: a planned build
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2009, 11:30:11 PM »
i presented my dm all the discussions posts and descriptive texts

he said ti was fine

i even explained to him that a kobold of this build would learn spells faster than any other kind of caster as well

he didnt have a problem