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Re: An odd Gestalt 3.5 campaign (still accepting players)
« Reply #120 on: July 22, 2009, 09:53:32 PM »
It's the only template I know of that you can apply repeatedly to the same creature.  And it means that you're a mutt.

Please point my out to the part that it says that you can apply it repeatedly to the same creature. It would make sense I guess, at least not if you have 8 pair of wings (or 10 because of Ha-Naga and Chronotyryn) :P

Or I could just grab multiheaded.  That works better.

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Re: An odd Gestalt 3.5 campaign (still accepting players)
« Reply #121 on: July 22, 2009, 10:03:57 PM »
What LA would I get if I lower Natural Armor to 1, DR to 5, and none of the Special Attacks and Special Abilities ?

The +3 is CR not LA so you wouldn't get an LA even if you didn't lower those things. Excuse me for not clarifying well but I'm under a full-out attack on another thread :P
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Re: An odd Gestalt 3.5 campaign (still accepting players)
« Reply #122 on: July 22, 2009, 10:05:01 PM »
Or I could just grab multiheaded.  That works better.

Agreed. Bear in mind though that the multiheaded template could skyrocket your CR.
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Re: An odd Gestalt 3.5 campaign (still accepting players)
« Reply #123 on: July 22, 2009, 10:06:24 PM »
Or I could just grab multiheaded.  That works better.

Agreed. Bear in mind though that the multiheaded template could skyrocket your CR.
Noted.  Multiheaded is sexy though.

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Re: An odd Gestalt 3.5 campaign (still accepting players)
« Reply #124 on: July 22, 2009, 11:02:41 PM »
What LA would I get if I lower Natural Armor to 1, DR to 5, and none of the Special Attacks and Special Abilities ?

The +3 is CR not LA so you wouldn't get an LA even if you didn't lower those things. Excuse me for not clarifying well but I'm under a full-out attack on another thread :P

What's the max CR I can get?
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Re: An odd Gestalt 3.5 campaign (still accepting players)
« Reply #125 on: July 22, 2009, 11:10:14 PM »
What LA would I get if I lower Natural Armor to 1, DR to 5, and none of the Special Attacks and Special Abilities ?

The +3 is CR not LA so you wouldn't get an LA even if you didn't lower those things. Excuse me for not clarifying well but I'm under a full-out attack on another thread :P

What's the max CR I can get?

There is no such thing as a max CR. If your CRs are close then there's no problem even if each of you has CR 80 (though that could lead you to a lot of trouble) :P

Or I could just grab multiheaded.  That works better.

Agreed. Bear in mind though that the multiheaded template could skyrocket your CR.
Noted.  Multiheaded is sexy though.

Immensely. I love this template. Needless to say, the first time I saw this template with a friend of mine, I immediatedly started having plans for a Great Wyrm with 30 heads :P
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Re: An odd Gestalt 3.5 campaign (still accepting players)
« Reply #126 on: July 22, 2009, 11:18:11 PM »
What LA would I get if I lower Natural Armor to 1, DR to 5, and none of the Special Attacks and Special Abilities ?

The +3 is CR not LA so you wouldn't get an LA even if you didn't lower those things. Excuse me for not clarifying well but I'm under a full-out attack on another thread :P

What's the max CR I can get?

There is no such thing as a max CR. If your CRs are close then there's no problem even if each of you has CR 80 (though that could lead you to a lot of trouble) :P

Hehehe, ok, it sounds like a plan... I think I can make a strong character at LA zero and CR 3... if I have a template that ads to the LA and CR, do I choose one?
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Re: An odd Gestalt 3.5 campaign (still accepting players)
« Reply #127 on: July 22, 2009, 11:32:30 PM »
Hehehe, ok, it sounds like a plan... I think I can make a strong character at LA zero and CR 3...

Of course you do. Actually most characters aren't going to have a very big CR. At least not if they don't get the Multiheaded template (its worth its CR though)  ;)

if I have a template that ads to the LA and CR, do I choose one?

What do you mean? If a template adds both LA and CR, you take both. If it adds only CR you get only CR. If it adds only LA you get only LA.

PS: If you all agree we can make 1 CL=1 CR as well in order to not have big CR differences in the party.
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Re: An odd Gestalt 3.5 campaign (still accepting players)
« Reply #128 on: July 22, 2009, 11:57:08 PM »
PS: If you all agree we can make 1 CL=1 CR as well in order to not have big CR differences in the party.
so then, one CR = one LA
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Re: An odd Gestalt 3.5 campaign (still accepting players)
« Reply #129 on: July 23, 2009, 12:54:38 AM »
so then, one CR = one LA

For buying out CR via CLs, yes. However, templates that only add CR and don't mention anything about LA gain only CR and no LA.
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Re: An odd Gestalt 3.5 campaign (still accepting players)
« Reply #130 on: July 23, 2009, 01:02:18 AM »
PS: If you all agree we can make 1 CL=1 CR as well in order to not have big CR differences in the party.
I don't know what you're trying to say.  Give an example?

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Re: An odd Gestalt 3.5 campaign (still accepting players)
« Reply #131 on: July 23, 2009, 01:33:58 AM »
PS: If you all agree we can make 1 CL=1 CR as well in order to not have big CR differences in the party.
I don't know what you're trying to say.  Give an example?

Let's say that after the application of all the templates you end up having CR 12 and 4 CL to spare. As it's already mentioned, you can spend your CL to gain stat boosts or feats. However, you can also spend those CL in order to reduce your CR to 8.

I'm using in order to eliminate big CR differences (usually from the application of a lot of templates).
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Re: An odd Gestalt 3.5 campaign (still accepting players)
« Reply #132 on: July 23, 2009, 02:02:46 AM »
PS: If you all agree we can make 1 CL=1 CR as well in order to not have big CR differences in the party.
I don't know what you're trying to say.  Give an example?

Let's say that after the application of all the templates you end up having CR 12 and 4 CL to spare. As it's already mentioned, you can spend your CL to gain stat boosts or feats. However, you can also spend those CL in order to reduce your CR to 8.

I'm using in order to eliminate big CR differences (usually from the application of a lot of templates).
So, since I worked out to be 0 HD 0 LA, should I care?

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Re: An odd Gestalt 3.5 campaign (still accepting players)
« Reply #133 on: July 23, 2009, 02:04:02 AM »
PS: If you all agree we can make 1 CL=1 CR as well in order to not have big CR differences in the party.
I don't know what you're trying to say.  Give an example?

Let's say that after the application of all the templates you end up having CR 12 and 4 CL to spare. As it's already mentioned, you can spend your CL to gain stat boosts or feats. However, you can also spend those CL in order to reduce your CR to 8.

I'm using in order to eliminate big CR differences (usually from the application of a lot of templates).
So, since I worked out to be 0 HD 0 LA, should I care?
I'm highly confused...
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Re: An odd Gestalt 3.5 campaign (still accepting players)
« Reply #134 on: July 23, 2009, 02:17:00 AM »
So, since I worked out to be 0 HD 0 LA, should I care?

Because the CLs do not eliminate CR. Yes, you will have 1 HD (all races have 1 HD that trade out for their class level) and 0 LA but you'd still have CR 27 (5 of' em are the class levels).
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Re: An odd Gestalt 3.5 campaign (still accepting players)
« Reply #135 on: July 23, 2009, 02:20:05 AM »
So, since I worked out to be 0 HD 0 LA, should I care?

Because the CLs do not eliminate CR. Yes, you will have 1 HD (all races have 1 HD that trade out for their class level) and 0 LA but you'd still have CR 27 (5 of' em are the class levels).
ECL=HD+LA
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Re: An odd Gestalt 3.5 campaign (still accepting players)
« Reply #136 on: July 23, 2009, 04:36:15 AM »
Feh, generally in character optimization having one's ideas copied is flattering. But this is character generation for a game we're actually going to play. I didn't mind it the first time because the Chronotyryn was just one idea I threw out amongst several. I can also understand glomming Paragon given the unique house rules and interpretation being used. But Fused Aberration and Multiheaded is unique weirdness, the duplication of which would make things feel very samey. In particular, the lernaean option of multiheaded was a key part of what I saw as my character's role in the party, the Tank. So, if possible, I'd like to call dibs.

Also, Lurker, I don't know if the sorcerer levels of the Chronotyryn and Ha-Naga stack for the purposes of buyoff (normally they never would, but all bets are off in this game). If you do glom anyway, or find an alternate way of combining creatures, perhaps a Psionic Elder Brain (Lords of Madness) rather than my ( :whistle) pink snake of doom would be a better choice.

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Re: An odd Gestalt 3.5 campaign (still accepting players)
« Reply #137 on: July 23, 2009, 04:48:25 AM »
Feh, generally in character optimization having one's ideas copied is flattering. But this is character generation for a game we're actually going to play. I didn't mind it the first time because the Chronotyryn was just one idea I threw out amongst several. I can also understand glomming Paragon given the unique house rules and interpretation being used. But Fused Aberration and Multiheaded is unique weirdness, the duplication of which would make things feel very samey. In particular, the lernaean option of multiheaded was a key part of what I saw as my character's role in the party, the Tank. So, if possible, I'd like to call dibs.

Also, Lurker, I don't know if the sorcerer levels of the Chronotyryn and Ha-Naga stack for the purposes of buyoff (normally they never would, but all bets are off in this game). If you do glom anyway, or find an alternate way of combining creatures, perhaps a Psionic Elder Brain (Lords of Madness) rather than my ( :whistle) pink snake of doom would be a better choice.
I'm gunna continue to imitate you if you continue to have good ideas.  Sorry, mate.

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Re: An odd Gestalt 3.5 campaign (still accepting players)
« Reply #138 on: July 23, 2009, 04:54:07 AM »
So, Solar Angel with out the Racial HD, SLA, Cleric casting, Change shape, damage reduction 15/epic and evil, darkvision 60 ft., low-light vision, immunity to acid, cold, and petrification, protective aura, regeneration 15, resistance to electricity 10 and fire 10, spell resistance 32, tongues... whats the LA and CR?

PS, neather of you two will out tank what I'm thinking about doing, soon as I have a good base creature  :evillaugh
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Re: An odd Gestalt 3.5 campaign (still accepting players)
« Reply #139 on: July 23, 2009, 05:14:13 AM »
Who needs tanking?  I was just thinking about stunlocking things...