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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #80 on: July 08, 2009, 06:04:54 AM »
I'm fine with going homebrew, I mostly wanted the Thuranni PP from Eberron, so if we can just refluff that (really, what campaign setting wouldn't be cooler with a shady elf mafia? ;)), I'm good. I prefer level 11 as well, but with dither not having played before, perhaps lvl 6 would indeed be better.
I was planning on using two powers from the City Entombed article in Dragon 372, since the PHB II choices at levels 5 and 6 are just meh (and the powers were thematic with the concept I had in mind to boot). Still not okay?  :bigeye

And yeah, I think they fucked up the monk. The whole full discipline thing is cool and all, but in practice, the powers just don't seem that great to me. Mobility ain't everything. In the end, it looks to me like they just recreated the 3.5 monk: Anyone who doesn't only dip it (MC for Channel Divinity from that PP and/or one or two neat powers) is just gonna run around and do nothing.
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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #81 on: July 08, 2009, 06:17:22 AM »
If it helps, I can copy/paste any feats and possibly backgrounds over to a separate thread once we get our game-area set-up for ease of reference :)

EDIT: Just to be weird, I vote for level 12 :P

There are some PPs who get something new at that level and that way we'll all have 1 more feat to play with :D

EDIT2: Also, definitely going with a Bugbear striker, just need to decide between TWF Ranger and Brutal Scoundrel Rogue...
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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #82 on: July 08, 2009, 06:22:22 AM »
Quote from: BowenSilverclaw on July 08, 2009, 06:17:22 AM
EDIT2: Also, definitely going with a Bugbear striker, just need to decide between TWF Ranger and Brutal Scoundrel Rogue...
I like the idea of a Bugbear Ranger (MC Fighter)/Shocktrooper/Eternal Defender. Three size increases across the tiers for 2d8/2d8 double weapons (either double axe or double flail). :D With an Urgrosh you could get 2d10/1d12, but that actually does marginally less damage on average (and doesn't work as well with Gauntlets of Destruction).
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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #83 on: July 08, 2009, 06:28:44 AM »
Mmh, I'll look into that, thanks :)

EDIT: Not sure if I'm not better of with a Pit Fighter instead of Shock Trooper, seeing as my Wisdom would be pretty decent...


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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #84 on: July 08, 2009, 07:04:12 AM »
Quote from: BowenSilverclaw on July 08, 2009, 06:28:44 AM
EDIT: Not sure if I'm not better of with a Pit Fighter instead of Shock Trooper, seeing as my Wisdom would be pretty decent...



Well, it's a different build. The Shock Trooper goes for big off-hand weapons (and is thus better off with Beast Mastery rather than Two-Blade) and has good ranged capacity, whereas the Pit Fighter mostly neglects ranged fighting, probably picks up heavy armor, gets big weapons (say, Waraxes), and has monster burst damage. The Shock Trooper probably also beats him out in mobility.

In fact, I'm playing a level 16 Pit Fighter in a game right now, and loving it. One or two fights ago, he did ~200 damage on an AP turn without dailies.

EDIT: If you want to read more, check out The Ranger Build Handbook on WotC.
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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #85 on: July 08, 2009, 07:18:20 AM »
Thanks.

Yeah, either going with 2 Scimitars (for Scimitar Dance) or a Two-Bladed Sword and Scale armor.

Also working on a Drow Archery Ranger as a back-up :)


EDIT: Too bad the Double Scimitar doesn't have a clause that lets it work with Scimitar Dance :P
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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #86 on: July 08, 2009, 08:02:14 AM »
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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #87 on: July 08, 2009, 08:36:34 AM »
Dunno about the Bugbear. I'd personally go for specialization and go Stormwarden instead of Pit Fighter if you want Scimitar Dance, more or less dumping Wis. Pit Fighters generally want their Wis to be as high as possible (my own has a 20 at level 16), whereas Scimitar Dance really calls for a high Dex (which also conflicts with the whole "heavy armor" business).
The drow looks fine.

Here's my own preliminary sheet: http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=137965. I made him at level 11, but it shouldn't be hard to level down to 6 if we end up starting there.
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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #88 on: July 08, 2009, 08:54:13 AM »
Yeah, mine would have a Wis of 18 at level 16, still not bad but I agree it could be better.

I'll experiment a bit with some more specialized builds before I get back to you on this :)
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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #89 on: July 08, 2009, 09:26:15 AM »
Okay, so I'm definitely going with a Pit Fighter with Scale Armor, I like the boost to AC :)

As for Scimitar Dance, here's what I'm basically looking at:

If I incorporate Scimitar Dance in the build, that nets me a +2 Initiative, +2 Ref, and 3 points of damage if I miss opponents (starting at level 12); at the cost of 1 point of damage on all attacks (starting at level 16), 1 point of Will defense and 1 point of to-hit bonus.


What do you guys think?
Scimitar Dance, yay or nay?
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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #90 on: July 08, 2009, 09:33:53 AM »
Quote from: BowenSilverclaw on July 08, 2009, 09:26:15 AM
Okay, so I'm definitely going with a Pit Fighter with Scale Armor, I like the boost to AC :)

As for Scimitar Dance, here's what I'm basically looking at:

If I incorporate Scimitar Dance in the build, that nets me a +2 Initiative, +2 Ref, and 3 points of damage if I miss opponents (starting at level 12); at the cost of 1 point of damage on all attacks (starting at level 16), 1 point of Will defense and 1 point of to-hit bonus.


What do you guys think?
Scimitar Dance, yay or nay?
It's not just one point of damage. You also have to live with a lower damage die (compare to, say, my shifter, who has a 1d12 waraxe and still gets High Crit thanks to Deadly Axe). Between 1d10 and 2d6, it's another 1.5 points of damage. On a crit, that becomes another five points. HBO for Twin Strike on an OA does sound nice, though.
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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #91 on: July 08, 2009, 09:36:24 AM »
Yeah, the main reason I haven't looked into Axes so far is the need to use level bumps on Con instead of Str and Dex/Wis if I want Axe Mastery and because HBO seems pretty good. And a Double Sword gets me an extra point of AC and Prof. bonus :)

Basically the Waraxe would give 2.5 points more damage, and more damage on a crit, at the cost of HBO and Scimitar Dance.

When compared to the Double Sword it would give 1.5 points more damage (lose Wisdom points to bump Con), and more damage on a crit, at the cost of HBO and 1 point of Prof. bonus.

Does that sound about right? I'm still not really awake...


EDIT: Screw Scimitar Dance. I'm going with either a Double Sword or dual War Axes.

Any thoughts?

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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #92 on: July 08, 2009, 10:04:59 AM »
What kind of PB are you guys using? Standard? the Pseudo 32 PB in the PHB?
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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #93 on: July 08, 2009, 10:06:43 AM »
Standard (as in 22).
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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #94 on: July 08, 2009, 10:40:39 AM »
I need a little help...

I want to take Arcane Reach, but it needs 15 Dex... and I can't seem to squeeze the points for it.... my current stats are 16 Con and Int/13 Dex/11 Wis/10/Str/8 Cha... should I dump Con/Int to get Dex to 14? Or forget about Arcane Reach?
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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #95 on: July 08, 2009, 10:45:48 AM »
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I need a little help...

I want to take Arcane Reach, but it needs 15 Dex... and I can't seem to squeeze the points for it.... my current stats are 16 Con and Int/13 Dex/11 Wis/10/Str/8 Cha... should I dump Con/Int to get Dex to 14? Or forget about Arcane Reach?
A dilemma indeed. I'm not sure how dependent SSMs are on their secondary stat for riders. However, you could always delay the acquisition of Arcane Reach to epic, if we happen to make it that far.
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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #96 on: July 08, 2009, 10:55:33 AM »
Use your level 8 level bump on Dex instead of Con?

But like Agita mentioned, I'm not that familiar with SSMs either...

Any thoughts on my Double Sword vs. War Axes dilemma, guys?
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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #97 on: July 08, 2009, 10:56:20 AM »
Then let's call on the specialists...


...where's PI?  :D
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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #98 on: July 08, 2009, 10:58:12 AM »
Let's light the PI-signal! :D

EDIT: According to his handbook Arcane Reach is a 'green' feat, so one of your best options basically :)

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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #99 on: July 08, 2009, 11:21:42 AM »
I've been reading PI's handbook since yesterday... that's why I'm asking...  :banghead
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