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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #220 on: July 10, 2009, 03:51:24 PM »
Rule of thumb: Taclord sets up attacks. Bravelord gives attacks.
Mind explaining that a bit more for the 4E noobs? :)

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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #221 on: July 10, 2009, 04:05:57 PM »
Tactical Warlord vs Bravura Warlord.  Tactical Warlords (Taclords) give big ol' bonuses to hit/damage, typically.  Bravura Warlords (Bravelords) grant actual attacks, at some cost - typically to himself.

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« Reply #222 on: July 10, 2009, 04:10:13 PM »
Rule of thumb: Taclord sets up attacks. Bravelord gives attacks.
Mind explaining that a bit more for the 4E noobs? :)

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The Tactical Presence feature gives allies an unnamed bonus on attacks when they spend an action point, whereas the Bravura Presence feature instead grants a melee or ranged basic attack. That would be the basics. Powers that key off Intelligence and those that have an extra effect for Taclords often give a bonus on attack rolls, damage rolls, or similar.
The Taclord can set up nova turns by giving allies big bonuses to hit and damage, and is thus the Ranger's best friend, whereas the Bravelord can enable nova turns by giving his allies extra attacks, and is thus the Avenger's best friend. Taclords are, however, also suited to giving allies extra attacks (with Commander's Strike).
Of special note is that Bravelords do not, fundamentally, have to be Cha-based, as their feature is the only one that is not keyed off a stat. Also of note: Harlequin Style, from Dragon 372, gives the warlord a bonus to defenses equal to his charisma mod against the attack he takes from Brash Assault.

I'd link you guys to a Warlord handbook, which can probably explain the issue better than me, but the wizards boards are currently down.
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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #223 on: July 10, 2009, 04:19:54 PM »
Well, I'm obviously voting for a Taclord :P

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« Reply #224 on: July 10, 2009, 05:49:34 PM »
Well, I'm obviously voting for a Taclord :P


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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #225 on: July 10, 2009, 06:21:16 PM »
Holy shit...

I think I just had an Artificer induced Ranger-gasm...
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« Reply #226 on: July 10, 2009, 06:33:48 PM »
Now you know how I felt when I first heard about the sigil powers.
Pity both leaders in my lvl 16 Ranger's party are Bards...
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« Reply #227 on: July 10, 2009, 06:41:19 PM »
Well then, let's change that for this party, shall we? :D
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« Reply #228 on: July 10, 2009, 06:59:49 PM »
I think I'm going to stick with Bravelord and model my character on Kamina, a la Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.

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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #229 on: July 10, 2009, 07:10:10 PM »
I think I'm going to stick with Bravelord and model my character on Kamina, a la Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.

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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #230 on: July 10, 2009, 07:19:05 PM »
Fine with me :D
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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #231 on: July 10, 2009, 07:21:49 PM »
I haven't had time to look through magic items and equipment. Are there any eye/brow "socket" items that are, like, +1 goggles of awesome?

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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #232 on: July 10, 2009, 07:28:24 PM »
Goggles go on the head slot, so you could probably also refluff a helf to be a pair of Kamina sunglasses. Helm of Heroes (PHB page 249), for one, is neat with an attack-granting Bravelord. I'm confident Bowen and I will love the boost. :D
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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #233 on: July 10, 2009, 07:29:41 PM »
Yes, we'll love you long time :D

EDIT: Why am I foreseeing a sort of Legolas/Gimli friendly rivalry in our near future, Agita? :D
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« Reply #234 on: July 10, 2009, 07:55:50 PM »
EDIT: Why am I foreseeing a sort of Legolas/Gimli friendly rivalry in our near future, Agita? :D
Because we both whore ourselves out for buffs from our leaders? :D

For dither's warlord, I can heartily recommend the Combat Commander feat. Too bad the Warlord's Combat Leader gives only a flat +2 to init, huh? Well, guess what. :D
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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #235 on: July 11, 2009, 12:18:53 AM »
I think I'm going to stick with Bravelord and model my character on Kamina, a la Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.

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Our adventuring party has to be called the Gurren Brigade if you do that.  :lmao

Seconded! Er, thirded? Fourthed?

How about, 'Hell Yes" XD

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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #236 on: July 11, 2009, 01:06:30 AM »
I'm looking at doing a human warlord/fighter multiclass. I'm a whore for granting combat advantage and extra attacks to my allies.

I'm going to be on the front line getting my ass pounded by enemies and giving everyone extra attacks.

edit: Y'all better make those extra attacks COUNT, boys...
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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #237 on: July 11, 2009, 05:39:04 AM »
That's the idea, I already swapped Focus for Expertise to make sure they hit :D

And seconded on the Combat Commander feat :)
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Re: 4E - Any interest?
« Reply #238 on: July 11, 2009, 07:25:42 AM »
Hey Bowen, where's your Bugbear getting that second 1st level feat from?
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« Reply #239 on: July 11, 2009, 07:53:38 AM »
Hey Bowen, where's your Bugbear getting that second 1st level feat from?
The Ranger's Two-Blade Fighting grants Toughness as a bonus feat.
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