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Re: Player Race List with LA +1
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2009, 01:29:34 PM »
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Re: Player Race List with LA +1
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2009, 03:02:49 PM »
Other options (since savage progressions don't have to be taken in full):

Lesser Aasimar/ First level of Half-celestial transition savage progression
+2 Str, +2 Con, +2 wis, +2 Cha,

Gnome/ First level of the Svirfneblin transition savage progression.
-2 Str +2 Dex +2 Con -2 Cha

Lesser Tiefling/First level of Half-fiend transition savage progression
+2 Str, +2 Dex, +2 Con, +2 int, -2 cha

Half-Drow/First level of Full Drow transition savage progression
 +2 Dex, -2 Con

Drow, one level of racial class
+2 dex, -2 con, +2 int

Half fey, one level of racial class
+2 dex, -2 con, +2 cha
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Re: Player Race List with LA +1
« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2009, 10:35:19 PM »
Nifty list, thanks for printing it :)  I don't think an exact list of 1HD races with +1 LA has been done, though there are the threads on "LAs that are really worth it" on gleemax.

Seconded, though I think the link is worthwhile: LA's that are worth it! [Archive]

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Re: Player Race List with LA +1 and LA +2
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2009, 05:17:18 AM »
Link added + the list now boasts LA+2 races as well.

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Re: Player Race List with LA +1 and LA +2
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2010, 06:14:48 PM »
Might as well link my planetoiched handbook.
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Re: Player Race List with LA +1 and LA +2
« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2010, 05:32:25 AM »
link added

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Re: Player Race List with LA +1
« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2010, 04:11:20 PM »
Other options (since savage progressions don't have to be taken in full):

Lesser Aasimar/ First level of Half-celestial transition savage progression
+2 Str, +2 Con, +2 wis, +2 Cha,


Your DM may object that the Half-celestial transition progression does not apply to Lesser Aasimar.  The text introducing this class describes Aasimar as "born with +1 level adjustment" - not a Lesser Aasimar w/out racial class level.  It would seem the intent is specifically to adjust the half-celestial template to allow for the existing +1 LA of Aasimar.  Ditto for Lesser Tiefling/Half Fiend.

In terms of the granted bonuses (which also continue to add SLA's with any other character class advancement), it's really hard to justify the Lesser Aasimar/Half Celestial1 or Lesser Tiefling/Half Fiend1 as a +1 LA.  But, hey, that's just arguing for common sense, which, I know, is pointless.

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Re: Player Race List with LA +1
« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2010, 07:45:32 PM »
Other options (since savage progressions don't have to be taken in full):

Lesser Aasimar/ First level of Half-celestial transition savage progression
+2 Str, +2 Con, +2 wis, +2 Cha,


Your DM may object that the Half-celestial transition progression does not apply to Lesser Aasimar.  The text introducing this class describes Aasimar as "born with +1 level adjustment" - not a Lesser Aasimar w/out racial class level.  It would seem the intent is specifically to adjust the half-celestial template to allow for the existing +1 LA of Aasimar.  Ditto for Lesser Tiefling/Half Fiend.

In terms of the granted bonuses (which also continue to add SLA's with any other character class advancement), it's really hard to justify the Lesser Aasimar/Half Celestial1 or Lesser Tiefling/Half Fiend1 as a +1 LA.  But, hey, that's just arguing for common sense, which, I know, is pointless.
Well, it kind of doesn't make any sense for the transition to grant resistance 5 against energy types that the base race already has resistance 5 against.

The other possible argument is that you aren't gaining the outsider type that you lost by being lesser, so if losing the outsider type is worth -1 LA, then it all makes sense.
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Re: Player Race List with LA +1
« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2010, 12:36:27 AM »
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The other possible argument is that you aren't gaining the outsider type that you lost by being lesser, so if losing the outsider type is worth -1 LA, then it all makes sense.

Ah, thanks for pointing that out; I hadn't completely registered that Lesser Aasimar are not Outsiders.  Losing the outsider type means no more freebie armor and weapon proficiencies, and subject to all the bad (and good) humanoid-affecting spells and related stuff.  Still awfully good, as you already pointed out!

Oops, not free of outsider-affecting spells!  Have to go look that up again...

I mixed the PGtF version (which I don't have, but you are using for your description) with the WoTC LA +0 Aasimar (still native outsider, with optional racial level).
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Re: Player Race List with LA +1 and LA +2
« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2010, 01:49:45 AM »
Yeah, the one from 0 levels in the racial progression is worse than the PGtF version.  Note that lesser planetouched don't get alter self goodness, but are still effected by, say, blasphemy or holy word.
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Re: Player Race List with LA +1 and LA +2
« Reply #30 on: May 06, 2010, 07:56:36 PM »
Might want to make a note that Hengoyaki were reduced to LA+0 in the 3.5 update.  Type was changed to Humanoid (Shapechanger) instead of Shapechanger (as that is no longer a creature type).
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Re: Player Race List with LA +1 and LA +2
« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2010, 03:17:41 PM »
@hengeyokai: my intention is to list all races with LA 1 and LA 2; the update changes them to +0 i.e. they don't belong to my guide. they belong to the master player race list, but that's someone else's job to update

(and also I am lazy and I don't care much about them)

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Re: Player Race List with LA +1
« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2011, 02:20:14 AM »
LA's that are worth it! [Archive]
Did anyone save this? No waybackwhen

Also the dragon mag page 45 says: "naga, shinomen, Greensnake" has "Abilities: Str 10, Dex 14, Con 9, Int 11, Wis 12, Cha 13" but "ability score before applying the greensnake racial modifiers: Str 8, Dex 10, Con 9, Int 11, Wis 12, Cha 13"

This puts the REAL racial modifyiers at +2str, +4dex. I have no idea where anyone else is getting such high modifiers. Can anyone explain or am I just the only one who bothers to look things up to check?
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Re: Player Race List with LA +1
« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2011, 07:23:03 AM »
LA's that are worth it! [Archive]
Did anyone save this? No waybackwhen

Also the dragon mag page 45 says: "naga, shinomen, Greensnake" has "Abilities: Str 10, Dex 14, Con 9, Int 11, Wis 12, Cha 13" but "ability score before applying the greensnake racial modifiers: Str 8, Dex 10, Con 9, Int 11, Wis 12, Cha 13"

This puts the REAL racial modifyiers at +2str, +4dex. I have no idea where anyone else is getting such high modifiers. Can anyone explain or am I just the only one who bothers to look things up to check?
Probably from the listed stats and LA in Oriental Adventures?
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Re: Player Race List with LA +1 and LA +2
« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2011, 08:22:24 AM »
LA that are worth it: I have copied the content of this thread into a spoiler box in the first post of this thread. At the end.

@greensnake naga: indeed, this is from OA; the list doesn't contain any dragon content except Dragon Compendium.