mechanicly enhanced corpse: cyborg or robot?

[NecroticBanana]

Hey guys, finally decided todo some hard stats for an ooooold creation i came up with years ago. Basically its a post apocalyptic creature. In a nut-shell these people are mass-producing foot soldiers using human remains to acctually keep cost down and tacking on parts were needed. So my question is; normally a human enhanced in such a way would be a cyborg, BUT there dead does that make them simply a robot? there all hardwired to each other in a kind of hive mind if it helps. I dont see them as Terminators or even Borg really but similar to both in some ways.

what you thinks??

[Halloween]

I guess the answer is "yes".

Also: "Does a strict definition actually matter?"

In addition, using non-standard parts, such as human remains of variable integrity, degree of decay, and size, tends to increase, rather then decrease, production costs.

But don't let me sprinkle logic into your horror. It sounds like a fun, gross little idea.

[AfterCrescent]

While I agree with Halloween, I'm also one for labels, so I'll vote robot.

[NecroticBanana]

I guess the answer is "yes".

Also: "Does a strict definition actually matter?"

In addition, using non-standard parts, such as human remains of variable integrity, degree of decay, and size, tends to increase, rather then decrease, production costs.

But don't let me sprinkle logic into your horror. It sounds like a fun, gross little idea.

yea i thought of this too, technically it would make them weaker, but i just really like the idea of "turbo-zombies" lol. The only reason a strict definition would matter is because i like to build my bad guys "by the book" with as much rule bending as possible, but never breaking, and i just needed to know what chapter to start in.
 i strictly enforce the "by the book" rule if ever it comes up with my players and there characters...but in a good group it seems to be an unspoken law we're not the type to be killer DM's or show off players.
 i didnt want the supernatural feel to the game, and i wanted just a little twist on the bad guys. As a side note if you have any suggestions on how to try and explain the logic (heaven forbid it ever come up) i'd be more than welcome to the ideas. 

[jacemachine]

Roboticized-corpses remind me of this film:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1ok12gc92k

[veekie]

If they're mechanically powered, I'd say robot. Now, if it was necro-magitech....a Construct(Augmented Undead) seems appropriate, though it'd let the thingy be treated as undead for some effects(negative energy healing and turning come to mind, possibly d12HD).

[NecroticBanana]

There definetly mechanical and electrical, theres no neg. energy whatsoever in em. just bones, guts and servos. lol. i think i'm going to go with robots. i'm makeing them in at least three versions (mark 1, 2, and 3) using the rules in d20 future, future tech, and apocolypse i think i got em figured out.

Oh and Jace, i've never seen that movie, but have been meaning to for years, it doth inspire lol. i'm currently drawing up a pic of these things too, i just wish i could show you when its done, but i dont think my scanner is big enough for the paper.

now i'm gonna start working on the rest of the baddies; the stalkers, and the rape machines bwahahaha

[jacemachine]

I call First in Line for the Rape Machines! 

[j0lt]

Zomborg?

[BowenSilverclaw]

Necrons?

[AfterCrescent]

I call First in Line for the Rape Machines! 

It's not really rape at that point.

[jacemachine]

I call First in Line for the Rape Machines! 

It's not really rape at that point.

You always have to split hairs, don't you AC? ;P

[NecroticBanana]

remember kids, its not rape if you yell suprise!

To clue you guys in, my custom, state of the art, rape machines (as seen on T.V. lol) are a robot, equipped with a series of tools of both a surgeon and a serial killer lol (made room for more pointy things by leaving out the anistetic). Because of the toxic influence the now dead world have on humans, its hard to raise a healthy baby, if the radiation hasn't completly ruined your chances of having one in the first place, OR your smart enough not to attempt it in such a hostile world. All the more reason for these sonsobitches to come after ya....
 inside its heavily armored body is an artifical womb. These robots hunt down humans of both sexes and forcfully extract semen or eggs and then combine them inside themselves for safe keeping on there way back to the laboratory were the now artificially created embreyos are used for god-knows-what evil pourposes.

I intend to draw these things up too, but are gonna need a major image overhaul...the old sketches never did em justice.

[emissary666]

To me, cyborg is an organic being with mechanical parts grafted on to them. Robots are automations made of any non animal parts. Undead are automations made out of dead things. So you have cyborg undead. Labels have wide gaps, sometimes you just need to make your own.

[jacemachine]

Labels have wide gaps, sometimes you just need to make your own.

That's not the only thing that's gonna have wide gaps, after the rape machines are through!

[NecroticBanana]

lol!! it seems Jace is my rape machines' fist fan...trust me, its only cause your not on the reciveing end lol

[Cromarty]

I think strictly speaking, they'd be cyborgs. You are, of course, free to call them whatever you like, and I rather think the idea could be thoroughly creepy. I encourage you to horrify your players by using the corpses of their friends/family members. Also, for added horror (because more of that is always a good thing) use children's corpses. Imagine the little tykes coming at you, steel bones peaking through the rotting flesh, the horrible mechanical voice, "Are you my mommy?"

 
...perhaps I've watched a few too many horror movies today.

On an aside, please post up the stats for this template of terror and mechanism of mayhem. I presume, given that its post-apocalyptic, that the system is d20 Modern?

-Cromarty
(who's freaked himself out a little writing this)

[NecroticBanana]

There still "cooking" so to speak, but i will post them when there ready

[PaladinRevenant]

My first thought would be robot for a couple of reasons.  If the tissue is all dead, it is not really an organism, it is simply a complex lattice of various elements and compounds.  If there is no mechanism for regenerating the organic tissue, then eventually the fleshy bits will all rot off and the baddies will be cyber-enhanced skeletons.  In that case, there's no real difference between using a human skeleton or a metal or stone skeleton for the support structure.

I think one of the main points that makes a cyborg is that there is some necessity for the biological part of the creature.  There is some biological function that the construct as a whole needs in order to function.  A good example would be the ability to digest food in order to provide power to the mechanical portion.

For some reason, this whole discussion reminds me of a terrible movie that I saw called Tetsuo: The Iron Man
Trailer here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uROMTzJsfOI
Though he was clearly a cyborg.  And yes, that rotating thing is his penis, and yes, he does fuck her with it.

Also, the rape machines remind me of a creature from the Trinity universe.  I don't remember what they were called, but whenever they first encountered a new race they brutally raped and consumed them in order to merge the new DNA with their own.

NecroticBanana, I really like the way you think.  Remind me to volunteer for any games that you run.  Also remind me not to get too attached to characters in said games.  I think I may use this idea as a jumping off point for some creatures in a game that I'm hoping to run in the near future.

[jacemachine]

For some reason, this whole discussion reminds me of a terrible movie that I saw called Tetsuo: The Iron Man
Trailer here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uROMTzJsfOI
Though he was clearly a cyborg.  And yes, that rotating thing is his penis, and yes, he does fuck her with it.

H o l y  C r a p.
That was... holy shit, that was crazy.