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4 wands activated in one round as a free action :o
« on: June 22, 2009, 04:22:34 PM »
The Uloriax (here at the bottom) is able to wield 4 wands and activate them as free actions (up to 4 per turn). The only problem is that it has 23 HD. How would I tranform into it before epic levels?

Edit: I'm an artificer by the way.
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Re: 4 wands activated in one round as a free action :o
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2009, 04:36:05 PM »
The Uloriax (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/fw/20040509a at bottom) is able to wield 4 wands and activate them as free actions (up to 4 per turn). The only problem is that it has 23 HD. How would I tranform into it before epic levels?

There is a rod that lets you use three wands at once at the cost of extra charges (Complete Mage?). Which is probably far more prefferbale because the Rod and Charges are just GP.
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Re: 4 wands activated in one round as a free action :o
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2009, 04:37:19 PM »
Use shapechange + high caster level at level 17, be a 20th level druid with a few of those wildshape boosters, Abuse bloodlines + wildshape (they stack for determining HD cap of your wildshape).

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Re: 4 wands activated in one round as a free action :o
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2009, 04:41:23 PM »
The Uloriax (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/fw/20040509a at bottom) is able to wield 4 wands and activate them as free actions (up to 4 per turn). The only problem is that it has 23 HD. How would I tranform into it before epic levels?

There is a rod that lets you use three wands at once at the cost of extra charges (Complete Mage?). Which is probably far more prefferbale because the Rod and Charges are just GP.
I know about the Rod of Wands. However, it requires a full round to activate and costs 3 charges a wand assuming you're activating all three. That's just too expensive even with extreme craftificer cheese.

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Re: 4 wands activated in one round as a free action :o
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2009, 04:49:18 PM »
Use shapechange + high caster level at level 17,
Doh! I complete forgot it was dependent on caster level not your HD. Thanks!
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be a 20th level druid with a few of those wildshape boosters,
Could you specify the wildshape boosters I don't remember them.
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Re: 4 wands activated in one round as a free action :o
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2009, 05:15:00 PM »
Amulet of Wild Shape, isn't it? +4 to effective Druid level for wild shape.

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Re: 4 wands activated in one round as a free action :o
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2009, 05:20:18 PM »
The Uloriax (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/fw/20040509a at bottom) is able to wield 4 wands and activate them as free actions (up to 4 per turn). The only problem is that it has 23 HD. How would I tranform into it before epic levels?

There is a rod that lets you use three wands at once at the cost of extra charges (Complete Mage?). Which is probably far more prefferbale because the Rod and Charges are just GP.
I know about the Rod of Wands. However, it requires a full round to activate and costs 3 charges a wand assuming you're activating all three. That's just too expensive even with extreme craftificer cheese.

The Rod of Many Wands is more effective if you use Wands of Celerity rather than something offensive. Full Round action to get 3 Standard actions is a decent trade, and if you have other wands readied (Blessing of the Girallion+ 3 wands of different spells) you can use those, something the rod won't let you do normally. Alternatively, use a bunch of scrolls or charges from a staff to cast bigger spells.

Granted this dazes you for the next turn, but IIRC the effects don't stack (so you only get dazed for one round). If one of the scrolls is a Time Stop or you use a staff with Time Stop in it, you come out way ahead.


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Re: 4 wands activated in one round as a free action :o
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2009, 05:20:52 PM »
Also, you can take levels in Master of Many Forms and Nature's Warrior, which were errata'd to stack for wildshape HD. Then it's just a matter of counting up your effective levels in each class (say Druid X and 4 for each class that you dip one level in (assuming full bloodline)). So a druid of 12th level with 3 bloodline levels and 1 level in Master of Many Forms, and one in nature's warrior could wildshape into something with 23 hit dice or less.

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Re: 4 wands activated in one round as a free action :o
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2009, 06:27:54 PM »
Also note that the rod of many wands does not require you to be a spellcaster to use it. :)
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Re: 4 wands activated in one round as a free action :o
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2009, 07:51:31 PM »
Would normal caster level enhancements allow an artificer to increase his caster level for creating an object?
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Re: 4 wands activated in one round as a free action :o
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2009, 07:58:12 PM »
Use shapechange + high caster level at level 17,
Doh! I complete forgot it was dependent on caster level not your HD. Thanks!

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Re: 4 wands activated in one round as a free action :o
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2009, 08:18:33 PM »
Straight from the SRD: Transmutation
Level:    Animal 9, Drd 9, Sor/Wiz 9
Components:    V, S, F
Casting Time:    1 standard action
Range:    Personal
Target:    You
Duration:    10 min./level (D)

This spell functions like polymorph, except that it enables you to assume the form of any single nonunique creature (of any type) from Fine to Colossal size. The assumed form cannot have more than your caster level in Hit Dice (to a maximum of 25 HD). Unlike polymorph, this spell allows incorporeal or gaseous forms to be assumed.

You gain all extraordinary and supernatural abilities (both attacks and qualities) of the assumed form, but you lose your own supernatural abilities. You also gain the type of the new form in place of your own. The new form does not disorient you. Parts of your body or pieces of equipment that are separated from you do not revert to their original forms.

You can become just about anything you are familiar with. You can change form once each round as a free action. The change takes place either immediately before your regular action or immediately after it, but not during the action. If you use this spell to create a disguise, you get a +10 bonus on your Disguise check.
Focus

A jade circlet worth no less than 1,500 gp, which you must place on your head when casting the spell. (The focus melds into your new form when you change shape.)

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Re: 4 wands activated in one round as a free action :o
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2009, 08:29:32 PM »
The text (higher priority than SRD) says "level", but the errata (higher priority than text) I just checked does indeed say "caster level."

So I retract my previous objection, replacing it with: :thumb You're good to go!
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Re: 4 wands activated in one round as a free action :o
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2009, 11:42:17 AM »
The Spellcasting is better, since *sigh* bloodlines do not stack with WS.
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Re: 4 wands activated in one round as a free action :o
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2009, 06:50:56 AM »
Why would I complain when you're right on the Bloodline thing? Don't always assume the worst ;)


And Bastian, as has been mentioned before, Shapechange is perfect for this. You're an Artificer, it should be easy.

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