No, you are wrong.
It's funny--you keep insisting that I'm wrong, and then confirming exactly what I said.
Because Polymorph Any Object text overrides Polymorph Te.
...and if PaO actually STATED that it overrides the limits--and explained which limits it overrides, and to what extent--we'd be fine, there would be no vagueness, and I wouldn't have made my comment. It doesn't state that. It IMPLIES that through examples.
When Greater Mirror Image has an immediate action casting time and says it is like mirror image except that blah blah. That doesn't mean that Greater Mirror Image is self contradictory, it means that immediate action casting time overrides functions like mirror image.
...because GMI, unlike PaO, explicitly STATES that difference. PaO never explicitly states that the hit die cap is removed; it includes an example that
implies the cap is removed. Kaelik, no offense, but do you understand the difference between stated and implied information? It really seems like you're having some problems differentiating.
That's bullshit and you know it.
Err...no, it's not.
Well then stop bitching and go find me one.
I'm not the one who's so infuriated that I'm flinging accusations over it. I don't know why noting that PaO is vague and badly-written fills you with such rage--note that nobody else has a problem with the point I'm making.
No one ever complained it was well written. But the fact that you can pretend "functions like polymorph" prevents you from using Polymorph on a non willing creature doesn't actually mean that is the best or only or even a remotely sane reading of the spell.
Where in the WORLD did you get that notion? Seriously, I don't mind strawman arguments, but could you try to make sure that they bear at least some passing resemblance to something that was actually said?
It says right in the example that if you use Polymorph Any Object to turn a Shrew into a Manticore, it has a duration of 1 week. Not "can't happen" not "o seconds" not "infinity over zero" One Week.
Right. It STATES that you can turn a shrew into a manticore. That's stated.
The idea that you can ignore the hit-die cap is NOT stated. It is...say it with me...implied.
The spell description specifically states that you can transform a 1/2 HD shrew into a 6 HD Manticore.
Nope. Again, you seem to be having real problems with the difference between "stated" and "implied." Heck, if we want to get silly about it, it
could be referring to one heck of an advanced shrew or one heck of a small manticore.
Now: do I think that that's the case? No, of course not. The
implication that hit die cap is circumvented is clear. But that's exactly what it is...an implication. It's NOT clearly stated in the text of the spell, and that's a problem--notice that we have one person right in this thread who DIDN'T think the spell allowed you to ignore hit die caps, and another who's unsure about whether it ignores the 15-HD cap or the caster-level hit die cap.
(Which is it, by the way? Can PaO be used to turn a shrew into something with a hundred hit dice, regardless of your caster level? Please, since you say it's "clearly stated," enlighten us.)
