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Re: Denied Feat?
« Reply #40 on: June 13, 2009, 03:42:41 AM »
He has True Believer for Corellon in order to make his relics work. He can't change religion without losing his best gear.

He's not changing his religion. He's worshiping multiple deities. They do that when lots of deities exist. While not a lot of Vikings might worship Loki and Odin, lots of people who worshiped Thor would pay homage to Odin for shit. That really happened. So someone worshiping Corellon can easily also call to another god when they are dealing with things that are important to them but outside of his favorite area.

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« Reply #41 on: June 13, 2009, 04:20:46 AM »
  Obviously the Dm isn't going to let him do it. It'd be best to just move on. Winning arguments with people who aren't interested in using logic, rarely works.

 Yes the stance will work with range weapons. . . also the weapon focus/spec line? Really? Please don't do this as a ranger...
  Scout is denied? But you have to fight them... W...t..f..?  There are multiple issuse going on here I see...

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« Reply #42 on: June 13, 2009, 04:34:48 AM »
  Obviously the Dm isn't going to let him do it. It'd be best to just move on. Winning arguments with people who aren't interested in using logic, rarely works.

 Yes the stance will work with range weapons. . . also the weapon focus/spec line? Really? Please don't do this as a ranger...
  Scout is denied? But you have to fight them... W...t..f..?  There are multiple issuse going on here I see...
Well I've already got Weapon Focus. I had to take it to gain the properties of the Weapon Aptitude ability on my bow. So no to the spec/mastery? I just thought it'd work for doing more damage since I'm not going to get it with Devotion. I'm not all that far off. With all three it's +3 to hit +4 to damage.
The Scout class itself is not denied. Our Psychic Rogue is a Scout with Pounce. However, the chances of him actually being able to use that are probably about 6%. Once all the enemies know what he can do if he's given the chance to pounce, everyone instantly flanks him from all possible directions.
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Re: Denied Feat?
« Reply #43 on: June 13, 2009, 06:54:16 AM »
Maybe this explains a lot for some people here: yesterday Kevin Video told me that his DM was a Pathfinder playtester.  ;)

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Re: Denied Feat?
« Reply #44 on: June 13, 2009, 07:20:23 AM »
Maybe this explains a lot for some people here: yesterday Kevin Video told me that his DM was a Pathfinder playtester.  ;)

That suggests he enjoyed Pathfinder enough to playtest it? I think I'm missing the point.  :twitch
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Re: Denied Feat?
« Reply #45 on: June 13, 2009, 07:39:55 AM »
Maybe this explains a lot for some people here: yesterday Kevin Video told me that his DM was a Pathfinder playtester.  ;)

That suggests he enjoyed Pathfinder enough to playtest it? I think I'm missing the point.  :twitch

Well, given that Pathfinder did more bad than good, it's more or less an indication that his DM doesn't really know what he's doing. It was kind of an in-joke.

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Re: Denied Feat?
« Reply #46 on: June 13, 2009, 07:40:30 AM »
That suggests he enjoyed Pathfinder enough to playtest it? I think I'm missing the point.

The point being that Pathfinder has a lot of flaws, and just about 90% of them can be traced to a certain culture amongst the playtesters and designers that it's their way or the high way, and that anything that they don't generally like is not just a preference but an actual bad thing.

Basically the gaming equivalent of people who think all sex that isn't a male and female in the missionary position is actually wrong to do, not just something they don't like.

If the guy wouldn't actually take Knowledge Devotion with a character like that, then it's actually morally wrong for anyone else to take Knowledge Devotion with a character like that.

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Re: Denied Feat?
« Reply #47 on: June 13, 2009, 08:15:33 AM »
Well, given that Pathfinder did more bad than good, it's more or less an indication that his DM doesn't really know what he's doing. It was kind of an in-joke.

That's sort of what I figured, but I didn't know for sure, since I haven't played it.


The point being that Pathfinder has a lot of flaws, and just about 90% of them can be traced to a certain culture amongst the playtesters and designers that it's their way or the high way, and that anything that they don't generally like is not just a preference but an actual bad thing.

That reminds me of the attitude amongst many of the RPGA GMs I met (not all, just most). Of course, in many cases, they were denouncing things like psionics and incarnum while running Eberron modules, where psionics is the #2 banana to the primary magic system (often recommended above the core magic system because of the psion's ability to "nova" during convention play), and incarnum, well, you just can't get away with not knowing how it works.

Didn't have enough players for a slot once, and the marshals had me go fill out a table that needed one. I threw together a quick warforged rogue for shits and giggles, and at one point during the introductory text, the Game Master went on a filibuster about how stupid and broken the psionics system was. Seriously.
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Re: Denied Feat?
« Reply #48 on: June 13, 2009, 09:44:36 AM »
Gods, not RPGA! Don't bring it up! I had it al repressed! Nooooooooooo.........  *curls up*

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Re: Denied Feat?
« Reply #49 on: June 13, 2009, 10:35:24 AM »
Gods, not RPGA! Don't bring it up! I had it al repressed! Nooooooooooo.........  *curls up*
Ow, tell me more :D

I could use a good laugh :P



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Re: Denied Feat?
« Reply #50 on: June 13, 2009, 10:53:42 AM »
Just the whole premise of RPGA. "Look this is our official campaign!" "No you can't use 30% of the books (and ofcourse, XPH and ToB are amongst those, you filthy munchkin!) and 25% of the material in the other books." "Yes, our scenario's effectively encourage backstabbing amongst partymembers." "Yes, the DM has to sign in three fold for every pissbreak you take, and provide pictures of you wiping your ass. No dirty asses on our tables!" "Oh, you also need to have permission from your DM to use a longsword, and he has to send in form 1138c. That's regulated by order 66 of our RPGA rulebook." "Please bend over when the people in white jackets come so when can insert the tracking chips."
Then there are those atrocious introductory texts, the fact that you're effectively railroaded and on top of that, the way our ex-DM ran it: he didn't treat us equally. He played with his girlfriend, twinbrother and best friend during the week, without noticing the others, so they were lvl 2 and 3 while we were lvl 1. He also got a hard one when he had a guard read out every single weapon type that wasn't allowed in a city, according the RPGA directions. I actually fell asleep during that.

That's why I hate RPGA.

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Re: Denied Feat?
« Reply #51 on: June 13, 2009, 11:42:56 AM »
Just the whole premise of RPGA.
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That's why I hate RPGA.

I fancied myself a pretty damned fantastic DM, and as much as I hated the idea of Eberron when it first came out, I knew that the "con exclusive" events were supposed to be special, and I knew I'd do a good job. So, I played up all the terrible, scary elements of all the adventures to their utmost, gave people a fright, and everyone at the table their money's worth, and then got a verbal bitchslap from the event coordinator for not killing any characters.

Cut to the end of the convention. I've run the event 3-5 times. I've received 3-5 verbal bitchslaps for not killing any characters. Apparently, I was a disgrace for not only not having killed any characters, but apparently, most other tables running the module resulted in TPK after TPK. This was my first convention with the RPGA, though, so they "cut me some slack."

I noticed a pattern, at the next three conventions, whereby the players would thank me for making their convention. They'd regale me with stories about nightmare judges they'd had, and for many of the players, I'd "restored their faith in the RPGA." A couple of times, I found particularly flattering, but then this started to happen nearly every single game session. Apparently I was the only RPGA judge present at those events who had a sense of humor, a fair play style, a good grasp on the rules, and had actually read the fucking module before running it.

I finally left the RPGA to run my own events because I didn't want them to make me look bad.

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Re: Denied Feat?
« Reply #52 on: June 13, 2009, 11:48:29 AM »
RPGA is even worse than I thought...

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« Reply #53 on: June 13, 2009, 12:17:08 PM »
Holy crap, I never knew it was that bad guys...:twitch
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Re: Denied Feat?
« Reply #54 on: June 13, 2009, 01:00:05 PM »
That suggests he enjoyed Pathfinder enough to playtest it? I think I'm missing the point.

The point being that Pathfinder has a lot of flaws, and just about 90% of them can be traced to a certain culture amongst the playtesters and designers that it's their way or the high way, and that anything that they don't generally like is not just a preference but an actual bad thing.

I was originally involved in the pathfinder alpha and betas. Mostly due to a group I was involved with at the time. During Beta 1, when things were still getting "playtest feedback" for making adjustments, Jason Bulhman (The guy doing the Pathfinder deal) specifically stated on the Pathfinder Forums that he didn't want to make adjustments to the way he had setup the paladin class because they shouldn't be able to "Fight as well as a fighter, or heal as well as a cleric", because that was their "niche". When pressed (And I mean pressed, since he kept giving evasions on what their "role" was), he stated "A paladin's role is to offer a superior roleplay class".

I fuck you not. That's when I stopped participating in the playtest, other than to give power comparisons to other people in that group (which I stopped gaming with as a result of their overwhelming love of the flavor of the system) to post in my place. I haven't looked at the system since then.
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Re: Denied Feat?
« Reply #55 on: June 13, 2009, 01:06:44 PM »
That suggests he enjoyed Pathfinder enough to playtest it? I think I'm missing the point.

The point being that Pathfinder has a lot of flaws, and just about 90% of them can be traced to a certain culture amongst the playtesters and designers that it's their way or the high way, and that anything that they don't generally like is not just a preference but an actual bad thing.

I was originally involved in the pathfinder alpha and betas. Mostly due to a group I was involved with at the time. During Beta 1, when things were still getting "playtest feedback" for making adjustments, Jason Bulhman (The guy doing the Pathfinder deal) specifically stated on the Pathfinder Forums that he didn't want to make adjustments to the way he had setup the paladin class because they shouldn't be able to "Fight as well as a fighter, or heal as well as a cleric", because that was their "niche". When pressed (And I mean pressed, since he kept giving evasions on what their "role" was), he stated "A paladin's role is to offer a superior roleplay class".

I fuck you not. That's when I stopped participating in the playtest, other than to give power comparisons to other people in that group (which I stopped gaming with as a result of their overwhelming love of the flavor of the system) to post in my place. I haven't looked at the system since then.
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Re: Denied Feat?
« Reply #56 on: June 13, 2009, 01:43:37 PM »
This sums it up

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Re: Denied Feat?
« Reply #57 on: June 13, 2009, 07:56:38 PM »
This sums it up

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the paladin class because they shouldn't be able to "Fight as well as a fighter, or heal as well as a cleric", because that was their "niche". When pressed (And I mean pressed, since he kept giving evasions on what their "role" was), he stated "A paladin's role is to offer a superior roleplay class".

A little full of himself, then, is he? No wonder I never hear anyone say much about Pathfinder. I didn't realize that things were that ... um ... bad.
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« Reply #58 on: June 13, 2009, 08:23:57 PM »
At KevinVideo, why do you keep playing with this guy? :eh
Because I don't have enough stress in my life, and want to experience a stroke and an anuerysm at the exact same time before I turn 31?  :rollseyes Really, it's just because there's no other groups out there.
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« Reply #59 on: June 13, 2009, 08:41:33 PM »
At KevinVideo, why do you keep playing with this guy? :eh
Because I don't have enough stress in my life, and want to experience a stroke and an anuerysm at the exact same time before I turn 31?  :rollseyes Really, it's just because there's no other groups out there.
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