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[SWSE] Who needs a hyperdrive?
« on: May 26, 2009, 12:02:29 AM »
The new Jedi Academy book has a nifty power: Fold Space (p25). It's a Use the Force check, DC 20-40. It lets you teleport a held or unattended object, or the vehicle you're in and everything in it, up to a maximum of Colossal size and 30 squares distance. It has a matching technique, Improved Fold Space (p37). With that, you spend a Force Point to teleport to anywhere within line of sight, or a Destiny Point for anywhere within the same star system.

The Line of Sight rules (SWSE core, p160) explicitly require something opaque between you and the target to block line of sight. It does not have a maximum range. How far can you see on a clear, moonless night, looking up? How about with a high-powered telescope? Remember, with Force Point Recovery, you can do this once an encounter for free - and I'd say "arriving halfway across the galaxy" qualifies as a new encounter.

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Re: [SWSE] Who needs a hyperdrive?
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2009, 12:24:53 AM »
Reminds me of my old sith hyperdrive idea.  "Size matters not", so the Sith just selfishly move the entire universe around themselves whenever they want to go somewhere.
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Re: [SWSE] Who needs a hyperdrive?
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2009, 08:24:08 AM »
Well, if you want to be tricky, you'd end up in the past(or off target by a buncha light-years, hopefully not within hazardous areas), since the night sky you see is light from several thousands of years away. But then, thats why you brought your own spacecraft.
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Re: [SWSE] Who needs a hyperdrive?
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2009, 12:43:46 PM »
i think your either gonna land on a star / in a nebula or just plain miss your target.

if you spot mars w/ the naked eye, and then pulled out your super high powered telescope, and spotted one of the landers.. find a spot to teleport to, your going to miss, cause its not there anymore... it moved like ten minutes ago.   
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Re: [SWSE] Who needs a hyperdrive?
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2009, 07:50:30 PM »
But it would work to go, say, on the moon.

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Re: [SWSE] Who needs a hyperdrive?
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2009, 07:53:15 PM »
i think your either gonna land on a star / in a nebula or just plain miss your target.

if you spot mars w/ the naked eye, and then pulled out your super high powered telescope, and spotted one of the landers.. find a spot to teleport to, your going to miss, cause its not there anymore... it moved like ten minutes ago.   

There's no limit on what reference frame you arrive in.  I pick the non-inertial "that spot on mars" reference frame.
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Re: [SWSE] Who needs a hyperdrive?
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2009, 08:00:37 PM »
I posted a related trick for 3.5 in the Dirty Tricks thread, for 10th-level rogues with the Distant Shot and Fling Ally feats (Distant Shot - you can attack anything in your line of sight. Fling Ally is self-explanatory).
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Re: [SWSE] Who needs a hyperdrive?
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2009, 08:30:47 PM »
And the chances of hitting something that you aren't aiming for, in space, are so abysmally low as to be nonexistent. Either way, you probably need to work out with your DM how line of sight works when you see things that may not still exist.

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Re: [SWSE] Who needs a hyperdrive?
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2009, 10:25:16 PM »
i think your either gonna land on a star / in a nebula or just plain miss your target.

if you spot mars w/ the naked eye, and then pulled out your super high powered telescope, and spotted one of the landers.. find a spot to teleport to, your going to miss, cause its not there anymore... it moved like ten minutes ago.   

That's why there are purpose-built computers designed to take things like that into account. It's a fairly trivial task today, for a non-spacefaring society, to predict the current position of a star given its distance and the rate of relative drift (both known factors). Given the SW galaxy's far better interstellar mapping, and the purpose-built computers designed to take this very factor into account, that's a trivial problem at best.

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Re: [SWSE] Who needs a hyperdrive?
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2009, 12:05:26 AM »
it is... when your using a machine to travel... i guess you could build all that nav comp into a telescope...
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Re: [SWSE] Who needs a hyperdrive?
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2009, 12:21:32 AM »
Or you could just trust in the Force to deliver you there safely  :P

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Re: [SWSE] Who needs a hyperdrive?
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2009, 03:59:16 AM »
The force? Guiding you? What're the chances of that?

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Re: [SWSE] Who needs a hyperdrive?
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2009, 04:02:14 AM »
Taking it literal and arriving in the past though...:D
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Re: [SWSE] Who needs a hyperdrive?
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2009, 07:03:34 AM »
There is also the Force Tradition Talent: Folded Space Mastery