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Ranged Combat feat that allows flanking
« on: April 30, 2009, 06:02:11 PM »
I seem to recall a feat/ACF/ability that allowed you to flank with a ranged weapon as long as you were in 30'. Can someone help me remember it? Closest I've found is Ranged Threaten in Dragon 350.

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Re: Ranged Combat feat that allows flanking
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2009, 08:27:57 PM »
Iirc Peerless Archer.  Or maybe it was the Halfling Thrower PrC in CW?  I think there's more than one though.  Oh, and customs, but you probably aren't looking for that.
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Re: Ranged Combat feat that allows flanking
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2009, 09:18:41 PM »
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Re: Ranged Combat feat that allows flanking
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2009, 12:06:38 AM »
Note that that is only for the next attack, and it's meant for someone else to take advantage of it.
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Re: Ranged Combat feat that allows flanking
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2009, 12:12:05 AM »
Note that that is only for the next attack, and it's meant for someone else to take advantage of it.

True, but it does apply to each enemy you hit. That counts for something (not much though).

Just one more thing that needs to be fixed. It's a fairly poor trade, considering your Animal Companion can flank anyone you want it to.


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Re: Ranged Combat feat that allows flanking
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2009, 12:19:24 AM »
There is a ranger spell also. IIRC, it's called Arrowmind.
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Re: Ranged Combat feat that allows flanking
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2009, 05:31:55 AM »
That spell might be worth working from. It's for an Unseen Seer in our group. It's mainly a way for him to apply his Sneak Attack on Ranged attacks. (He's new, he doesn't like the idea of optimising, is in love with "rouges/theifs", and whines when his character can't keep up with the rest, so we're trying to find some alternatives.)

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Re: Ranged Combat feat that allows flanking
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2009, 03:32:11 PM »
That spell might be worth working from. It's for an Unseen Seer in our group. It's mainly a way for him to apply his Sneak Attack on Ranged attacks. (He's new, he doesn't like the idea of optimising, is in love with "rouges/theifs", and whines when his character can't keep up with the rest, so we're trying to find some alternatives.)
Your player will still need to take Point Blank Shot and Precise Shot so he doesn't invoke the -4 penalty for shooting at an opponent that's in melee with someone else. But as for feats, there really only seems to be on in the Epic Level Handbook when it comes to regular bows, and that's Combat Archery (Epic, Dex 13+, PBS, Dodge, Mobility). If it's a crossbow or gun, then he could take Contact Shot (PBS only, but still take AoO when reloading without Rapid Reload). So far the best one I can see if Defensive Shot (Dex 13+, Dodge) which allows you to take a shot in a threatened area, but your attack is -2. If you take Mobility as well, he can get Mobile Shot, he gets +4 to his dodge bonus instead of taking a -2 to attack.
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Re: Ranged Combat feat that allows flanking
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2009, 07:07:15 PM »
We're not looking for a feat that prevents AoO from firing a ranged weapon in melee, but rather a feat/ability/spell/... that grants you reach for purposes of flanking, so that if you're some distance away, you still count as flanking and can thus use Sneak Attack.

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Re: Ranged Combat feat that allows flanking
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2009, 07:55:45 PM »
In that case, the only thing I can think of is Distracting Attack. You have to sacrifice gaining an Animal Companion. You could always homebrew it into a regular feat though so long as the character meets the other prereqs of Ranger (ie 1st level divine caster, BAB +4, 4 HD, base saves +4/+4/+1, etc).
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Re: Ranged Combat feat that allows flanking
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2009, 05:01:24 AM »
In that case, the only thing I can think of is Distracting Attack. You have to sacrifice gaining an Animal Companion. You could always homebrew it into a regular feat though so long as the character meets the other prereqs of Ranger (ie 1st level divine caster, BAB +4, 4 HD, base saves +4/+4/+1, etc).

The problem is that it make you count as flanking, for purpose of your allies' attacks. We're looking for something that makes your own attacks count as such.

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Re: Ranged Combat feat that allows flanking
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2009, 05:18:21 AM »
Then I've got nothing for you, sadly. The only reason I can flank anyone is because of Arrow Mind, and the fact that my bow's Elvencraft, so it's essentially a quarterstaff. But again, I have to be in melee, and use the quarterstaff instead of my arrows. Kind of defeats the purpose of it. A ranger with sneak attack would still get the bonuses to damage, but no +2 to attack. I'll keep an eye out though.
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Re: Ranged Combat feat that allows flanking
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2009, 07:06:36 PM »
That spell might be worth working from. It's for an Unseen Seer in our group. It's mainly a way for him to apply his Sneak Attack on Ranged attacks. (He's new, he doesn't like the idea of optimising, is in love with "rouges/theifs", and whines when his character can't keep up with the rest, so we're trying to find some alternatives.)

What about the other ways to do sneak attack damage? An unseen seer should be able to use a wand or other item of greater invisibility. If the player REALLY needs help to keep up with the other PCs, persuade the DM to allow a Ring of Blinking and promise that none of the other PCs will ever get their hands on it?

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Re: Ranged Combat feat that allows flanking
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2009, 07:10:59 PM »
Hhmmm... Seems that Gr. Invis. will be our best bet, or maybe a custom spell. How about something like a Wiz/Sorc 2 slot, hours/lvl duration, use Feint as a free action to make one opponent flatfooted against you untill the next round? On paper, pretty abusable, but I'm pretty sure this player won't go that way

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Re: Ranged Combat feat that allows flanking
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2009, 07:13:42 PM »
On paper, pretty abusable, but I'm pretty sure this player won't go that way
Just make it so many times per day. That way it can't be abused. It'd make it cheaper too.
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Re: Ranged Combat feat that allows flanking
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2009, 04:58:57 AM »
On paper, pretty abusable, but I'm pretty sure this player won't go that way
Just make it so many times per day. That way it can't be abused. It'd make it cheaper too.

A lvl 2 spellslot is already extremely cheap. I don't see the need to make it limited in uses/day, at least not for this player. We're looking for a medium between him having a character that he enjoy while not being a resource sink to the rest of the party.

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Re: Ranged Combat feat that allows flanking
« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2009, 11:54:05 AM »
Could always go the Flyby Attack+Greater Manyshot+hiding route.
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Re: Ranged Combat feat that allows flanking
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2009, 01:47:31 PM »
Could always go the Flyby Attack+Greater Manyshot+hiding route.

Probably takes to much effort for this player, but a worthwhile suggestion. Thanks!

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Re: Ranged Combat feat that allows flanking
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2009, 12:03:57 PM »
Theres always Cloak of Deception, if you have a dip in a ToB class, it's accessible via Martial Study. Putting it on a Crusader or Warblade can be fairly interesting.
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Re: Ranged Combat feat that allows flanking
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2009, 12:55:03 PM »
Theres always Cloak of Deception, if you have a dip in a ToB class, it's accessible via Martial Study. Putting it on a Crusader or Warblade can be fairly interesting.

Sounds decent enough, allthough you might as well cast Improved Invisibility at the start of an encounter. A swift action each round might get tricky. Thanks for the suggestion, though!