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Re: 4th Edition PDFs leaked
« Reply #40 on: June 01, 2008, 07:20:13 PM »
Dragon? You mean this DDI thing I have to pay for?
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Re: 4th Edition PDFs leaked
« Reply #41 on: June 01, 2008, 07:24:26 PM »
In theory, yes.

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Re: 4th Edition PDFs leaked
« Reply #42 on: June 01, 2008, 07:30:29 PM »
Ahhh. Therein lies the problem. A book is a one-time fee that I am willing to sacrifice. A subscription, I am afraid, is not.
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Re: 4th Edition PDFs leaked
« Reply #43 on: June 01, 2008, 07:48:06 PM »
Ahhh. Therein lies the problem. A book is a one-time fee that I am willing to sacrafice. A subscription, I am afraid, is not.
It's no different than a subscription for Dragon when it was paper.

Except subscribing gets you the entire backlog, and you lose it all when you stop paying. Expect to see it on the internet elsewhere.

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Re: 4th Edition PDFs leaked
« Reply #44 on: June 01, 2008, 07:52:30 PM »
Ahhh. Therein lies the problem. A book is a one-time fee that I am willing to sacrafice. A subscription, I am afraid, is not.
It's no different than a subscription for Dragon when it was paper.

Except subscribing gets you the entire backlog, and you lose it all when you stop paying. Expect to see it on the internet elsewhere.
Except that it is not on paper, which is what I, and many other people, prefer. But I digress, it is a different topic to be discussed at a different time.
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Re: 4th Edition PDFs leaked
« Reply #45 on: June 02, 2008, 06:26:16 AM »
Ahhh. Therein lies the problem. A book is a one-time fee that I am willing to sacrafice. A subscription, I am afraid, is not.
It's no different than a subscription for Dragon when it was paper.

Except subscribing gets you the entire backlog, and you lose it all when you stop paying. Expect to see it on the internet elsewhere.
Except that it is not on paper, which is what I, and many other people, prefer. But I digress, it is a different topic to be discussed at a different time.

You could always just use that handy dandy print button...

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Re: 4th Edition PDFs leaked
« Reply #46 on: June 02, 2008, 09:16:04 AM »
the more I read/see the PDF's, the more I dislike 4e...

Especially the Monster Manual is crap and the PHB is unclear...

Haven't even begun on DMG, which I doubt will be worse
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Re: 4th Edition PDFs leaked
« Reply #47 on: June 02, 2008, 11:24:11 AM »
Yup, PHB is striking me as incomplete, MM like a bestiary from some video game's strategy guide, and I'm told the DMG is the worst of the lot. In this day and age, it is practically required you try before you buy, lest you get ripped off by the patch mentality.
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Re: 4th Edition PDFs leaked
« Reply #48 on: June 02, 2008, 12:13:26 PM »
The way some of the monsters have been redesigned surprise me, some for the better, others for the worse.

For instance, I liked how they gave the marilith a more dervish-type feel and reemphasized the vrock's more predatory nature.

However, I am more than a little pissed at how they essentially stripped all the fiends of their SLAs, essentially relegating most of them to nothing but big dumb bruisers. The balor seems to be the biggest offender. Combat with it seems to entail nothing more with it making melee attacks each round, with a flaming aura and death throes ability. No axillary abilities to give it some versatility or add some spice to combat. Each round is just move+attack.

I guess LoTR fans will be happy... :eh
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Re: 4th Edition PDFs leaked
« Reply #49 on: June 02, 2008, 01:07:09 PM »
Hey, it's the only way the meatshields can participate! :P
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Re: 4th Edition PDFs leaked
« Reply #50 on: June 02, 2008, 01:59:25 PM »
Has anyone ever read Robin's Laws of Good Games Mastering?

I honestly think he could sue WotC for plagiarism for the DMG.

But I'm actually a big fan of most of the streamlined monsters, altho I'll agree they've gone too far with the Balor - he should've been done like the Beholder and Dragons really.
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Re: 4th Edition PDFs leaked
« Reply #51 on: June 02, 2008, 03:19:05 PM »
Has anyone ever read Robin's Laws of Good Games Mastering?

I honestly think he could sue WotC for plagiarism for the DMG.

From what I know of Robin D. Laws work in Dragon magazine, this sounds like a good thing.

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Re: 4th Edition PDFs leaked
« Reply #52 on: June 02, 2008, 10:11:06 PM »
Has anyone ever read Robin's Laws of Good Games Mastering?

I honestly think he could sue WotC for plagiarism for the DMG.
Robin Laws was actually a coauthor on the DMG2, where a lot of this 4e material originally appeared.  That they reused and recycled it for the 4e DMG is unsurprising, as they are the copyright holders.

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Re: 4th Edition PDFs leaked
« Reply #53 on: June 03, 2008, 03:53:53 PM »
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No need to eat, drink, or breathe, but this does not render immune to any effect (nice to have this spelled out)
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Re: 4th Edition PDFs leaked
« Reply #54 on: June 03, 2008, 04:00:30 PM »
How does the crunch for goblins as PCs look in this edition? *hopeful*
I like it. They can shift away from a foe if they are attacked and missed as a free action.

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Re: 4th Edition PDFs leaked
« Reply #55 on: June 03, 2008, 04:54:20 PM »
Rumor has it the Monster Manual no longer has Dinosaurs.  Is this true?

They are there. They now are called "Behemots". The Bloodspike Behemot is a Stegosaurus, and the Macetail behemot is an Ankylosaurus.

Edit: it's me, or many of the pictures of the book have been borrowed from older books? For example, the Death Knight image is the same than the one on the MM2 from 3.0. And I think I have seen others.

Updated: Gargoyle, from the old MM; Hag, from Oriental Adventures; Death Hag, MM; vampire, MM...

Mmm... the Succubi has changed side. Looks like LE was sexier.
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Re: 4th Edition PDFs leaked
« Reply #56 on: June 03, 2008, 05:35:29 PM »
Mmm... the Succubi has changed side. Looks like LE was more sexy.

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Re: 4th Edition PDFs leaked
« Reply #57 on: June 03, 2008, 07:38:45 PM »


Edit: it's me, or many of the pictures of the book have been borrowed from older books? For example, the Death Knight image is the same than the one on the MM2 from 3.0. And I think I have seen others.

I wouldn't say many, but there is a decent chunk.

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Re: 4th Edition PDFs leaked
« Reply #58 on: June 03, 2008, 09:29:57 PM »
Mmm... the Succubi has changed side. Looks like LE was sexier.

Except that Lawful Evil no longer exists...

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Re: 4th Edition PDFs leaked
« Reply #59 on: June 03, 2008, 09:57:12 PM »
Mmm... the Succubi has changed side. Looks like LE was sexier.

Except that Lawful Evil no longer exists...

If you look closer at the alignments, it's more like Lawful Good, [Chaotic] Good, Unaligned, [Lawful] Evil, Chaotic Evil. :P
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Sunic may be more abrasive than sandpaper coated in chainsaws (not that its a bad thing, he really does know what he's talking about), but just posting in this thread without warning and telling him he's an asshole which, if you knew his past experiences on WotC and Paizo is flat-out uncalled for. Never mind the insults (which are clearly 4Chan-level childish). You say people like Sunic are the bane of the internet? Try looking at your own post and telling me you are better than him.

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