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Is this Fighter optimized enough to run Sunless Citadel?
« on: March 30, 2009, 03:33:42 PM »
The build I was looking for was something that could defend the party.  What I came up with is this:

Fighter 1: Dodge, Power Attack, Stand Still(If I go Human)
Fighter 2: Improved Bull Rush
Fighter 3: Cometary Collision
Fighter 4: Sidestep Charge

I don't foresee the module taking past level 4 and if it does, I will probably jump into another class but I'm not thinking that far ahead right now.  The Weapon I plan on using is a Spear because the wording on readying an action and setting the spear against a charge both seem to work with cometary collision's wording.  Do you think this strategy will work?
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Re: Is this Fighter optimized enough to run Sunless Citadel?
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2009, 04:16:59 AM »
What books are allowed?
Is dodge a Pre-Req. for something?

Can you play an Crusader or an Warblade instead? Is Dungeonscape allowed?

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Re: Is this Fighter optimized enough to run Sunless Citadel?
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2009, 04:22:15 AM »
Stand Still is good, but only if you grab a Reach weapon.  You'll lose some AC, but that'll help keep you a viable target for enemies (which, really, is what you want for BC), and the extra reach plus Stand Still will protect you and the party alike.  You'll also want Combat Reflexes to complete the combo, any time you're fighting more than one at a time.


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Re: Is this Fighter optimized enough to run Sunless Citadel?
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2009, 04:37:20 AM »
You'll also want a way to gain large size, usually either with a bagful of potions of enlarge person or through a party member.  Getting 20ft reach is quite handy in general.

I'd replace Dodge with combat reflexes or taunt (C. Adv., requires Cha 13 though). 

If ToB is allowed, I'd keep most of the build and go human crusader or warblade, and just pick up the feats later. 

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Re: Is this Fighter optimized enough to run Sunless Citadel?
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2009, 05:37:50 AM »
You'll also want a way to gain large size, usually either with a bagful of potions of enlarge person or through a party member.  Getting 20ft reach is quite handy in general.
Or with Expansion :)

Psychic Warrior 2/Crusader 2 sounds pretty nice overall :)
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Re: Is this Fighter optimized enough to run Sunless Citadel?
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2009, 02:51:22 PM »
For the sunless citadel, that would work perfectly well enough. I'd recommend going dungeoncrasher just because there are so many easy walls to rush people into.
[Spoiler]
A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
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Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
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Re: Is this Fighter optimized enough to run Sunless Citadel?
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2009, 05:09:11 PM »
Update: I have been allowed to take Neraph as my race and my stats are such.
Str 16 Dex 16 Con 11 Int 14 Wis 14 Cha 9
I'm still using a spear as my weapon and Neraph has helped with my defense.
Dodge is necessary for Sidestep Charge.
ToB was allowed but there was already a Warblade in the party.
I'll think about Dungeoncrasher some more but I do like the combo of Sidestep Charge and Cometary Collision.
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Re: Is this Fighter optimized enough to run Sunless Citadel?
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2009, 05:11:32 PM »
11 Con for a melee character?

Any chance of swapping some Int and maybe even some Wis and/or Dex for extra Con?
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Re: Is this Fighter optimized enough to run Sunless Citadel?
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2009, 05:14:26 PM »
The reason I placed it as such was because I know the DM and the game is more RP than crunchy.  I've been thinking of switching it over but I like having the skill points more.
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Re: Is this Fighter optimized enough to run Sunless Citadel?
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2009, 05:19:13 PM »
I'd personally go with Psywar/Swordsage for the AC/Wis synergy as well as the maneuvers that have DCs based on Wisdom.

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Re: Is this Fighter optimized enough to run Sunless Citadel?
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2009, 05:19:31 PM »
The reason I placed it as such was because I know the DM and the game is more RP than crunchy.  I've been thinking of switching it over but I like having the skill points more.

You're on the front line, even if there are few combats, you need to live through them...  what do you need that much wisdom for?  Get a cloak or resistance if you're worried about your will saves, but do swap wisdom and constitution.
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Re: Is this Fighter optimized enough to run Sunless Citadel?
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2009, 07:06:00 PM »
You'll need the HP for sunless citadel. Without giving away spoilers, there's some guys that can hit for a relatively high amount for those levels without including ToB.
[Spoiler]
A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time.  I give you much fu.
Three Errata for the Mage-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
In the Land of Charop where the Shadows lie.
[/spoiler]

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Re: Is this Fighter optimized enough to run Sunless Citadel?
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2009, 08:56:06 PM »
I'll switch the Wisdom and Constitution.  The saves didn't really worry me that much yet considering the level of play and how WotC creates characters, but it never hurts to prepare.
If this character dies, I would definately go PsyWar/Swordmage, for the win!
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Re: Is this Fighter optimized enough to run Sunless Citadel?
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2009, 05:27:10 AM »
That's Swordsage ;)
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Re: Is this Fighter optimized enough to run Sunless Citadel?
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2009, 08:25:54 AM »
That's Swordsage ;)

actually, I think hes got it right....  :D
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Re: Is this Fighter optimized enough to run Sunless Citadel?
« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2009, 08:29:02 AM »
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Re: Is this Fighter optimized enough to run Sunless Citadel?
« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2009, 03:03:36 PM »
Think of that as a Freudian Slip. ;)
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