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Looking to finish this build.
« on: February 27, 2009, 10:53:23 PM »
I was building a charger, leap attacker with Fighter and Scout levels and really can't find a Prestige class to marry the two together.  Do you have any suggestions for a PrC?  I'm also up to the suggestion of class feature substitutions and a different feat selection.  I'm do want to keep a Scout and Fighter central for the build.

What I have so far:

Level   Class   BAB   Saves   Feat/Class Feature
1   Fighter   +1   2/0/0   Martial Study(Sudden Leap), Dodge
2   Scout   +1   2/2/0   Skirmish +1d6, Trapfinding
3   Scout   +2   3/3/0   Battle Fortitude +1, Uncanny Dodge, Mobility
4   Fighter   +3   4/3/0   Power Attack
5   Scout   +4   5/3/1   Fast Movement +10ft, Skirmish +1 AC, Trackless Step
6   Fighter   +5   5/4/2   Leap Attack
7   Scout   +6/1   5/5/2   Spring Attack
8   Fighter   +7/2   6/5/2   Martial Study(Claw at the Moon)
9   Scout   +7/2   6/5/2   Evasion, Skirmish +2d6, Run
10   Scout   +8/3   7/6/3   Flawless Stride
11   Scout   +9/4   7/6/3   Skirmish +2 AC
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Re: Looking to finish this build.
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2009, 11:25:55 PM »
Can you even get sudden leap with an IL of .5?

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Re: Looking to finish this build.
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2009, 11:28:43 PM »
Doesn't matter, first he needs another Tiger Claw maneuver to meet Sudden Leap's prerequisites...
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Re: Looking to finish this build.
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2009, 12:09:41 AM »
How about highland stalker from CV ? Not actually optimized, but it's an easy choice.
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Re: Looking to finish this build.
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2009, 12:34:14 AM »
you should make your first level warblade, and get more than just the benefit of martial study. also increases first level hit dice, and skills. what race are you using? are you using multiclass penalties?
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Re: Looking to finish this build.
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2009, 08:06:17 PM »
I have already thought about Warblade but wanted to feats a little more(Though I did place Martial Study up :D).  I am thinking human for the race but I am leaving that open at this point.  Yes, multiclass penalties will occur.
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Re: Looking to finish this build.
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2009, 12:16:53 AM »
if you take warblade at levels one and eight, you lose nothing.  the martial study feats you would have taken are replaced with actual manuvers with a recovery mechanic, and you gain extra class features, more hit points, and more skills.  by doing so, you also gain a fighter feat than otherwise (because of the martial studies), and you do not have to take the dead fighter level(fighter3).  from here, you could even just advance scout, or use PrCs.
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Re: Looking to finish this build.
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2009, 12:44:35 AM »
I built this a while back when observing the Dragoon thread on the old boards.  It seemed insufficient to me, so I worked on something a bit more .  . . complete.  3.5 retooling to OA was done on the web, and makes Blade Dancer valid.  Point is, want to move fast and hit hard without a mount as a melee character?  This'll do.
He enters Blade Dancer with a base land speed of 60, total speed of 70, which jumps to 90 at level 1, and ends at 130 at 10.  I havn't bothered checking the final jump check but its something like (23+30+15+40+10) 118, take 10 for 128 dc's always.  Jump 32 feet straight up(you take no fall damage from this, infact, you can fall about 50 feet before having to spend a single pp), so things 20 feet or less in height can simply be casually walked up to and battle jumped.  Anything more grievous then that just air walk and fall on them.  Further, it should be quite playable and contribute as a "glass cannon" type role from 1-20.


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Human - Psychic Warrior 3, Fighter 4 Duskblade 1 Warblade 2 Blade Dancer 10
Flaws: 1 Shaky –2 ranged attacks
Trait: Fast, -1 hp/hd, +10 base speed
Feats: 1 Battle Jump 1(h)Up the walls 1(b)dodge 1(f)mobility 2(b)Power Attack 3 Speed of Thought  4(b) Psionic Weapon 5(b)Spring Attack 6 Deep Impact 7(b)Leap attack  9Imp Bull Rush  12 shock trooper  15 Stand Still
Skill Trick: Extreme Leap

+1 Tiger Claw Collision Longspear(16k), Boots of Striding and Springing(5.5k) boots of landing( -2d6 fall damage always land upright); Torc of Umbral Metamorphisis(22k), ring of jump +15;

Psychic warrior powers:
1: expansion
2: cat fall
3: hustle

Dusk Blade Spells:
0: Read magic, Detect magic, Ray of Frost, Minor Repair
1: Blade of Blood, swift expeditious retreat, true strike


Manuvers: 
IH: Wall of blades, Iron Heart Surge(wb level 2)
DM: Moment of Perfect Mind
TC: Sudden Leap
Stance:  Leaping Dragon
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Re: Looking to finish this build.
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2009, 12:53:23 AM »
just looked it up, sudden leap actually DOES require a previously know TC maneuver... rather silly.
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Re: Looking to finish this build.
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2009, 05:43:10 AM »
Actually, I think it's worth asking at this point: What do you want to do with this build? What's the central shtick? Are you looking for a leaping face-stabber? A pouncing skirmisher? I'm kind of conflicted here.

If you're looking at a pouncing skirmisher, I'd suggest looking at the swift hunter builds - scout/ranger with either a splash of barbarian (for pounce) or cleric (for lots of uses of travel devotion) gives you the TWF feats from ranger, plus a good BAB and lots of skirmish.

TWF is a good thing to have with skirmish if you can pull it off (pounce, travel devotion, etc).

If you're already opening the door to the Tome of Battle, take a look at at least a few levels each of Warblade and Swordsage. There are some excellent maneuvers and stances you can get that way, as well as recovery mechanics. If you only take Martial Study, you can only use Sudden Leap once per encounter. If you take it through the Warblade side of things, you can use it a LOT (they've got a great mechanic). This is huge. Plus, you get all sorts of pounce and other kinds of stuff later on in the tiger claw school (but then you're giving up skirmish).

Personally, when I build a big face-stabber, I did it with (more or less, this is from memory) a rogue 3 / swordsage 2 / warblade 15. Rogue 3 gives you 2d6 sneak attack, swordsage 2 (if you take it at the right time) gives you Assassin's Stance (another 2d6 SA) and Island of Blades (I think - the stance that lets you flank from any direction) when you can't get an actual flank. Shadow Blade gets you dex to damage, and the warblade levels get you tons of BAB, and good skills and stuff. It's all very, very good for damage and fun maneuvers.

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Re: Looking to finish this build.
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2009, 11:22:22 AM »
I'm basically looking for the Dragoon type of build but with less classes.  I was trying to find a way to keep it down to two classes and a PrC just in case a DM wanted to pull some sort of cheesey flavor thing on my.  I picked Scout and Fighter as the bases to the builds because they are more likely to be accepted than a ToB class.  Yes I know I have feats from the book in my build but that was because I was experimenting with ways of doing without fully dipping into the book.  So I'm thinking of just doing a Scout and Warblade combo atm if the DM allows ToB but still need a backup plan.
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