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Re: This needs to live on: "The Carnal Blossom Discipline and the Ecchinobbi"
« Reply #60 on: December 09, 2009, 03:26:09 PM »
To each their own, kuro, at least it's not guro. I hope.
I'm sure you can combine the two :P

It's more common than you would think.  At least, the fact that I've seen shemale guro porn at all means it was more common than I thought.

And the only thing about shemales is that in real life, they tend to be head cases.  I mean, genetic women also tend to be headcases, but it's a different style of crazy.
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Re: This needs to live on: "The Carnal Blossom Discipline and the Ecchinobbi"
« Reply #61 on: December 09, 2009, 04:46:32 PM »
To each their own, kuro, at least it's not guro. I hope.
I'm sure you can combine the two :P

It's more common than you would think.  At least, the fact that I've seen shemale guro porn at all means it was more common than I thought.

And the only thing about shemales is that in real life, they tend to be head cases.  I mean, genetic women also tend to be headcases, but it's a different style of crazy.

Yeah, the hormonal clash doesn't help there.
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Re: This needs to live on: "The Carnal Blossom Discipline and the Ecchinobbi"
« Reply #62 on: December 09, 2009, 11:15:17 PM »
I like some of the mechanics in this class, but I'm not personally a fan of the flavor, I think it would be served a lot better as a base class with a more subtle seduction/assassin tone and then the tentacle/futa angle as a PrC.

Someone should redo the class like this.

Actually I disagree, but only because of the flavor. It's doable though.

It's not too hard to gestalt two classes together and then start knocking pieces out that make them unbalanced.

In this case, if you want a seduction/assassin martial adept:

First, just as an example, gestalt Beguiler and Swordsage. Something from book of erotic fantasies may actually work better than Beguiler, but if I remember right I didn't like any of the base classes in there (I'm doing this without books).

Now, eliminate all the disciplines but Shadow Hand and perhaps Setting Sun (because you know this class likes to switch positions...) and most of the illusion school spells from the beguiler's list that aren't subtle (I think they get phantom battle or whatever, needless to say I don't feel it fits..).

Also rip out all the straight combat abilities of the swordsage, like the discipline focuses. Eliminate armored mage from the beguiler and a lot of the best parts of cloaked casting (although, for the record, in order for this class to make sense as a 20th level class you want some of those). Keep the free silent and still spell. Introduce some sneak attack progression.

So far you have something that's pretty seductive and pretty effective as an assassin IMO. Personally though, I think there's something wrong with this concept as a martial adept. The overwhelming fact about the ToB classes is that they are out to hurt people in good old fashioned combats. The Swordsage may hide from you, but they won't lie to you. A Crusader may have Diplomacy, but it's not so they can seduce you it's so they can negotiate your surrender after they've beaten you into a miserable weeping mess. A Warblade is literally someone who wants to beat things up and get lots of props for it.

"Seduction/assassin tone" doesn't actually work for ToB. They don't seduce, they destroy. They may assassinate, but they're not going to do it with poisons or daggers in bedrooms. Ballrooms and banquets and back chambers are not the place for martial adepts, which is why I said I disagree. All of the classes in that book are unquestionably violent and straightforward about it (Again, disappearing into the shadows once combat starts is not stealthy, so the Swordsage still is pretty directly violent if indirect in their assault).

It's one of my favorite things about ToB, even the 3/4ths BAB guy is looking for a violent solution. Most of them don't have Profession or Perform as class skills because just like the scene in 300 "What is your profession?" these people are violent melee killers first and foremost, they don't have another trade.

Finally, seduction/assassin types aren't actually D&D's favorite. The system is designed for teams, and such characters are frequently lone operatives. They can still work and often do, but it's usually best done via solo games or at least solo sidequests (I like going Assassin just to fulfill the special requirement aka get a cool clandestine assassination mission from my DM).

In a way, as tasteless and abhorrent as it is to me, this "Echinnobbi" is as sexual as something ToB-based could get. Do you think combat "maneuvers and stances" that manipulate a tactical system and action economy designed for battelfields can really fit in even the largest of bedrooms? If you executed a ToB maneuver on someone in a sexual way, it would most certainly be some form of rape. Sadly, someone felt like going with that angle. That kind of sex is pretty unrealistic though (Can you see two soldiers meeting each other on the battlefield and then endeavoring to bend each other over as a means of winning the combat?) and really doesn't have a place in any but the oddest of tastes.
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Re: This needs to live on: "The Carnal Blossom Discipline and the Ecchinobbi"
« Reply #63 on: December 10, 2009, 08:23:01 AM »
If you're going for a sex-based Discilpine shouldn't a good deal of the maneuvers require one or more willing partners to initiate. Or perhaps inspired by tantric philosophy and used to kill or disable with raw sexual pleasure, often with a mere touch. A litteral killer orgasm.

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Re: This needs to live on: "The Carnal Blossom Discipline and the Ecchinobbi"
« Reply #64 on: December 10, 2009, 08:43:17 AM »
There are some astounding urban myths out there. Sometimes they make good D&D characters/creatures, other times they need to stay in Hentai and not come out.
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Re: This needs to live on: "The Carnal Blossom Discipline and the Ecchinobbi"
« Reply #65 on: December 15, 2009, 03:55:51 AM »
I may work on a less tentacular revision at some point.  I'm currently running an unarmed Swordsage who's swapping out Setting Sun for Carnal Rose and shunting class abilities over to charisma, while taking the subtler Carnal Rose abilities.  My version will probably be completely unarmed and unarmored by default.

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Re: This needs to live on: "The Carnal Blossom Discipline and the Ecchinobbi"
« Reply #66 on: December 26, 2009, 12:27:35 AM »
I stumble. A lot.


In my case I get requests on one of my groups.

"Do you know where I can find pictures of women masturbating with poisonous seaworms?"

My response:  :twitch "uh....welll...that is...seriously, who the fuck are you?"


I should make a list of the stuff people ask me and see if it makes people twitch...
You still haven't done this IIRC :D (hint, hint)
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Re: This needs to live on: "The Carnal Blossom Discipline and the Ecchinobbi"
« Reply #67 on: December 26, 2009, 06:36:09 AM »
I stumble. A lot.


In my case I get requests on one of my groups.

"Do you know where I can find pictures of women masturbating with poisonous seaworms?"

My response:  :twitch "uh....welll...that is...seriously, who the fuck are you?"


I should make a list of the stuff people ask me and see if it makes people twitch...
You still haven't done this IIRC :D (hint, hint)
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I do like this class much.

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We need to get the Inquisition going here. The amount of thread necromancy we've faced this past month alone...
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Villeta, I'm currently working on a martial initiator that can potentially use Carnal Blossom as a discipline. You can find it here. Look at the one feat I have so far.
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Cleric: "I can kill a guy in half a turn."
Wizard: "I can kill a guy before my turn."
Bard: "I can get three idiots to kill guys for me."

On a strange note, would anyone be put out if we had a post about people or events we can spare a thought for, or if its within their creed, a prayer for? Just a random thought, but ... hells I wouldn't have known about either Archangels daughter or Saeomons niece if I didn't happen to be on these threads.
Sounds fine to me.
probably over on "Off-topic".
might want to put a little disclaimer in the first post.

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Interesting Class and feats and abilities I think I will play around with it and take think I might look at the book of vile darkness, the succubus race (like energy drain)  and the cloaked dancer.  To examples a attack like that the tentacles attack that the orgasm stopping the heart like the spell form book of vile darkness. And a few other instant death effects sort

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Re: This needs to live on: "The Carnal Blossom Discipline and the Ecchinobbi"
« Reply #73 on: September 12, 2011, 06:08:38 AM »
Damn it, I made a class that could use maneuvers at will, and my mind flew to this discipline (they also get a free legacy weapon, so...)

I feel dirty.
[spoiler]Fighter: "I can kill a guy in one turn."
Cleric: "I can kill a guy in half a turn."
Wizard: "I can kill a guy before my turn."
Bard: "I can get three idiots to kill guys for me."

On a strange note, would anyone be put out if we had a post about people or events we can spare a thought for, or if its within their creed, a prayer for? Just a random thought, but ... hells I wouldn't have known about either Archangels daughter or Saeomons niece if I didn't happen to be on these threads.
Sounds fine to me.
probably over on "Off-topic".
might want to put a little disclaimer in the first post.

This is the Min/Max board. We should be able to figure out a way to optimize the POWER OF PRAYER(TM) that doesn't involve "Pazuzu, Pazuzu, Pazuzu".
[/spoiler]

My final project for my film independent study course. It could do with a watching and critiquing