Tackling the age of worms

[Brainpiercing]

Bowen, care to help me get to 37 effective turner level, i can only get to  34 on my own, still need some more effective levels.

What effectively raises one<s turning level.

Rod of blah blah blah, from libris mortis raises it by 3
Turning check raises it by 4
Feat IMproved turning by 1
Special holy symbol from eberron by 1
Phylactery of undead turning by 4

What else???

Rod of Defiance lowers THEIRS by 4, so that's eight levels won on your part.

[BowenSilverclaw]

Ugh, apparently I misplaced that sheet.

I still have the build stub, but not all the details...

Don't know all the details or locations of everything, since I don't have all my books back yet since my old PC completely died. Someone else will have to help with the number-crunching of all the details and to help you locate feats and other stuff you don't know (although a Google/Crystalkeep search can help with that ).


Race: Draconic Magic-Blooded Lesser Aasimar (LA-buyback)

Abilities: Charisma over everything, followed by Wisdom ofcourse;

16 Points: 18 +2 Racial +4 Templates +5 Levels +5 Inherent +6 Enhancement =40 (+15)

If you start at level 9 or higher (since you can have bought of +2 LA by then), you might want to replace the Draconic template with the Phrenic template for some nice stuff like PR, PLA's and another +2 on all mental stats

Build stub: (Cloistered) Cleric 5/Paragnostic Apostle 1/RSoP 10/X +4

Feats:
1) Extra Turning; Improved Turning (Flaw); Disciple of the Sun (Flaw)
3) Item Familiar (optional, for if you want to catch up with the rest of the group faster after losing XP to LA-buyback)
6) Heighten Turning (if you don't take Item Familiar, move this up to level 3)
9) Free
12) Free
15) Free
18) Free

Domains: Sun; Domain of choice; optionally Knowledge if Cloistered Cleric

Skills:
- 5 ranks in Knowledge Religion: +2

Equipment:

[bitznarf]

There was a spell somewhere, I believe it was mentioned somewhere in the Min/Max area here at BG, that allowed you to Rebuke (Evil) Outsiders IIRC. Ofcourse I lost my link to that thread as well  
Hope someone else knows what spell I'm talking about.

Turn Anthema IIRC, SpC

[BowenSilverclaw]

Yes, that was it, the name was definitely Turn Anathema

EDIT: I think it's actually from Complete Champion


Thanks, bitznarf

[jameswilliamogle]

And I just checked the background of dragodath, the dracolich in age of worms....  that,s gonna be tough isn't it?

Yes.  Tougher than Kyuss, imo, due to the power disparity.  He's also the only dragon in the AP that I remember (and technically undead).

[BowenSilverclaw]

And I just checked the background of dragodath, the dracolich in age of worms....  that,s gonna be tough isn't it?

Yes.  Tougher than Kyuss, imo, due to the power disparity.  He's also the only dragon in the AP that I remember (and technically undead).

At least he doesn't have 9th level spells yet, unless your DM ramps him up a notch or decides to add Loredrake or something ofcourse

[Alastar]

What does the sacred enhancement do again, dont have a&eg

[BowenSilverclaw]

+2 bonus, deity specific, increases your effective turning level by 2.


Would be even more awesome if you went with the following as armor/shield combo:
+1 Sacred Shield
+1 Sacred Chain Shirt
+1 Sacred Chahar-Aina
+1 Sacred Dastana

Seeing as Sacred is an unnamed bonus, this should stack


Chahar-Aina and Dastana are both in OA (updated to 3.5 in some Dragon Mag issue), and while only the base armor value (both give a +1 armor bonus) stacks with certain armor types (chain shirt being one of them) and any further +x enhancements overlap, they're great to get a lot of special abilities on your armor since they DO stack

[bitznarf]

Ah, but bonuses from the same source don't stack, regardless if they are unnamed.  And all those bonus are from sacred.

[Chemus]

The shield, chain shirt, as well as the other bits that I'm unfamiliar with, are distinct sources; the items are separate and add the bonus in independently. The bonus itself is unnamed, so they'd stack. Otherwise using magic vestment twice (once on a shield and once on a piece of armor) would not stack.

Same source, AFAIK, refers to having cast a spell twice on one target. Even if the bonuses are unnamed, they overlap.

[BowenSilverclaw]

That's the idea

Now get to dusting that Dracolich (and a lot of other critters of all sorts before that), Alastar

[Alastar]

Yeah, that +8 is enough for me to actually dust it, nice!

[BowenSilverclaw]

Yeah, the stuff I listed gets you something like a +25 on Turning checks (with an option to hit a +29 1/day, and not including Heighten Turning) and a -8 to the enemies Turn Resistance (within 30ft., or -4 to those within 60ft.) as well, and the ability to Turn/Destroy critters with elemental subtypes

By the time you get to Dragotha you'd be level 18 IIRC, so you should have all the gear by then. That's a +43, or +47 if you burn all your Talisman of Undead Mastery charges, without even rolling
And you still got Heighten Turning to boost that even further.

I think you could actually dust Dragotha without even rolling

Just don't forget to hit it with a Quickened Greater Dispel Magic first to take out any defenses it might have against Turning


EDIT: added some more stuff to my big post

[bitznarf]

The shield, chain shirt, as well as the other bits that I'm unfamiliar with, are distinct sources; the items are separate and add the bonus in independently. The bonus itself is unnamed, so they'd stack. Otherwise using magic vestment twice (once on a shield and once on a piece of armor) would not stack.

Your example is flawed.  Magic Vestment isn't giving it's bonus to your AC.  It is giving its bonus to the shield or armour, which is then giving you AC.  Sacred does not boost the armour or shield, it boosts your turn check directly.

[Chemus]

You have a valid point. My mistake.