I'm Bored. It's time for a new game.

[BowenSilverclaw]

[mr. Burns]Excellent...[/mr. Burns]

[Sinfire Titan]

My character is mostly done...

Will make a backstory soon, and will finish the unfinished...

EDIT: Traits?

No traits. Flaws are nicer and I'm willing to make variants of races to suit some minor issues (like a lower land speed).

[bogsnes]

Okay.

[spoiler=backstory]
When Fecerak was a little kid, he was like most other kids, doing everything, and nothing for a long amount of time. He ran around and did what he thought was most fun. When he grew older, though, he didn't start on doing one thing at a time, he continued just like before. His parents weren't exceptionally rich or poor, just a regular family. After a while they wondered why he didn't stick to one thing, and got a job. A day, when he had grown into an adult they said to him "go and find yourself a job, and don't come back until you've found one. That was when he met master Randuin, a facototum that visited the city. Randuin accepted to train him, and he reported back to his parents that he was leaving the town to go on adventures with someone that could learn him to do anything, and not surprisingly, they were surprised. They argued for a while, until he finally got allowed. He left with Randuin and was trained by him for a while.

With Randuin, he discovered and learned a lot. He could do about anything, and even though others that specialize was better on the thing they specialized in, he felt superior in everything else. Recently, Randuin thought that it was about time for Fecerak to travel alone, and that is how he is travelling now. [/spoiler]

[BowenSilverclaw]

Yeah, I think I'll have a BG finished somewhere around Friday, got a lot of stuff to do for uni tomorrow.

Is that okay with you, SiFir?

[Sinfire Titan]

Yeah, I think I'll have a BG finished somewhere around Friday, got a lot of stuff to do for uni tomorrow.

Is that okay with you, SiFir?

Fine by me.

[bogsnes]

Can you check if there is anything wrong with him?

Also, does my backstory sound okay?

[Sinfire Titan]

Can you check if there is anything wrong with him?

Also, does my backstory sound okay?

The only thing I see that I don't know about (or believe I approved) is the Dwarvencraft Gnome Quickrazor. Sources for the two?

The background sounds like my life story.

[bogsnes]

The only thing I see that I don't know about (or believe I approved) is the Dwarvencraft Gnome Quickrazor. Sources for the two?

You haven't approved them yet.
Both are from Races of Stone (159 for Dwarvencraft, and 152-153 for the Quickrazor.

The background sounds like my life story.

Nice

[ravenkith]

I originally built this for an IRL game...his chosen deity was Torm at the time, from FR. This may change, depending  on whether a healing presence is needed or not.

Given the unknown status of PB, I can't say for sure if he's immediately viable; I had some badass rolls when I made him. Statted at level 5 (+1 from level 4 on STR).

Obviously warrior shugenja (free clan feat from DM's ruling on OA) will go away. I will most likely take two flaws, if allowed.

HUMAN
STR: 18
DEX: 14
CON: 16
INT: 10
WIS: 14
CHA: 18

1. Paladin 1 (Education (FR), Combat Casting, Warrior Shugenja (OA))
2. Paladin 2
3. Sorc 1 (Arcane Disciple - Healing (CDiv))
4. Sorc 2
5. Sorc 3
6. Sorc 4 (Touch of Healing (CChamp))
7. Spellsword 1
8. Abjurant Champion 1
9. Abjurant Champion 2 (Arcane Strike (CWar))
10. Abjurant Champion 3
11. Abjurant Champion 4
12. Abjurant Champion 5 (?)
13. Sacred Exorcist 1
14. Sacred Exorcist 2
15. Sacred Exorcist 3 (Sacred Healing (PHB II)?)
16. Sacred Exorcist 4
17. Sacred Exorcist 5
18. Sacred Exorcist 6 (Sacred Purification (PHB II)?)
19. Sacred Exorcist 7
20. Sacred Exorcist 8

I believe this is an optimized character, but not a broken one. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Again, I may submit something else, depending on how the point buy works out.

[Sinfire Titan]

The only thing I see that I don't know about (or believe I approved) is the Dwarvencraft Gnome Quickrazor. Sources for the two?

You haven't approved them yet.
Both are from Races of Stone (159 for Dwarvencraft, and 152-153 for the Quickrazor.

The background sounds like my life story.

Nice

The Quickrazor is a bit stronger with Iajutsu, but I'm known for telling people that Sneak Attack being always on is not a bad thing. Denying you that privilege now would be hypocritical and foolish of me. Just note that the Quickrazor cannot be drawn on an AoO when it isn't your turn. It says Free action, and those can only be taken during your turn except in specific circumstances (Talking). If this means you need to make changes, do so. Against humanoid opponents with feats such as Robilar's Gambit, Karmic Strike, and Riposte you can use the interaction freely. You may want to get some other weapon that allows you to bypass this restriction when it isn't your turn. Bootknives (CS) work if you can deal with the -2 attack penalty.

The Dwarvencraft quality is fine, though why you would want it is beyond me. I have never enforced saving throws on magic items nor do I use Sundering enemies (if I want to break shit, I use a Platinum Horror). I'd have it made out of Baatorian Greensteel for the extra damage (it's almost the same as getting a size increase).

Iajutsu also only works if they are flat-footed, another restriction. You gonna be using the Sneak Attack benefits to make up for the difference?

[Sinfire Titan]

I originally built this for an IRL game...his chosen deity was Torm at the time, from FR. This may change, depending  on whether a healing presence is needed or not.

Given the unknown status of PB, I can't say for sure if he's immediately viable; I had some badass rolls when I made him. Statted at level 5 (+1 from level 4 on STR).

Obviously warrior shugenja (free clan feat from DM's ruling on OA) will go away. I will most likely take two flaws, if allowed.

HUMAN
STR: 18
DEX: 14
CON: 16
INT: 10
WIS: 14
CHA: 18

1. Paladin 1 (Education (FR), Combat Casting, Warrior Shugenja (OA))
2. Paladin 2
3. Sorc 1 (Arcane Disciple - Healing (CDiv))
4. Sorc 2
5. Sorc 3
6. Sorc 4 (Touch of Healing (CChamp))
7. Spellsword 1
8. Abjurant Champion 1
9. Abjurant Champion 2 (Arcane Strike (CWar))
10. Abjurant Champion 3
11. Abjurant Champion 4
12. Abjurant Champion 5 (?)
13. Sacred Exorcist 1
14. Sacred Exorcist 2
15. Sacred Exorcist 3 (Sacred Healing (PHB II)?)
16. Sacred Exorcist 4
17. Sacred Exorcist 5
18. Sacred Exorcist 6 (Sacred Purification (PHB II)?)
19. Sacred Exorcist 7
20. Sacred Exorcist 8

I believe this is an optimized character, but not a broken one. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Again, I may submit something else, depending on how the point buy works out.

Ouch. Sorcadins hurt for casting, no matter how well-built they are. I admit, I like them, but you can't deny that being three spell levels behind the Wizard is a bad thing.

On that note, I am aware of the weaknesses and strengths of a Gish build. I know they are hard to play and even harder to make work right, so you've got 30PB to work with (a well picked spell list will more than make up for the weaknesses).

[emissary666]

My three ideas

Human Druid 20
Human Dread Necro 20
Possibly some kind of fiend if savage species is allowed, going into fiend of possession

None of these are horrible build concepts, right?

[bogsnes]

The Quickrazor is a bit stronger with Iajutsu, but I'm known for telling people that Sneak Attack being always on is not a bad thing. Denying you that privilege now would be hypocritical and foolish of me.

IF was going to be my major source of damage...

Just note that the Quickrazor cannot be drawn on an AoO when it isn't your turn. It says Free action, and those can only be taken during your turn except in specific circumstances (Talking). If this means you need to make changes, do so. Against humanoid opponents with feats such as Robilar's Gambit, Karmic Strike, and Riposte you can use the interaction freely. You may want to get some other weapon that allows you to bypass this restriction when it isn't your turn. Bootknives (CS) work if you can deal with the -2 attack penalty.

Was aware of that, but the boot blades sounds nice

The Dwarvencraft quality is fine, though why you would want it is beyond me. I have never enforced saving throws on magic items nor do I use Sundering enemies (if I want to break shit, I use a Platinum Horror). I'd have it made out of Baatorian Greensteel for the extra damage (it's almost the same as getting a size increase).

Just in case, but if you don't do, I would like the Baatorian Greensteel if I knew where it was from

Iajutsu also only works if they are flat-footed, another restriction.

I know, but it is a very good skill still...

You gonna be using the Sneak Attack benefits to make up for the difference?

What? Cunning Strike? In that case no, because of that it sucks...

[Sinfire Titan]

My three ideas

Human Druid 20
Human Dread Necro 20
Possibly some kind of fiend if savage species is allowed, going into fiend of possession

None of these are horrible build concepts, right?

Fiend of Possession is.

1: No fucking way. I know what those bastards can do.
2: HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLL NO.

Ok, seriously now. I honestly can't allow a FoP into the game (far more problematic than I have nerve for). I'm fine with using some of the Savage Species progression charts, but very few of them are balanced as is (an example of the imbalanced ones would be a Djinn or pretty much anything with Wish as an SLA or spellcasting advancement). I'm a nice DM, but I'm not stupid.

Druid and DN I'm fine with. I've put some minor restrictions on Druids and I can deal with a DN at my leisure.

[emissary666]

Definately something from savage species then. I post a build once I find my book

[Sinfire Titan]

IF was going to be my major source of damage...

I'm fine with that, I'm just pointing out the weaknesses. It still works, you just need tricks up your sleeve (like a Wand of Distract Assailant).

Was aware of that, but the boot blades sounds nice

I know. Sneaky little things, almost impossible to spot mid-combat until they hit you.

Just in case, but if you don't do, I would like the Baatorian Greensteel if I knew where it was from

You're gonna need to free up some GP. Greensteel is 1000gp onto the weapon (so you need at least 400 more to buy). Fiendish Codex 2 (oddly enough, Devils are now mostly LN instead of LE...).

I know, but it is a very good skill still...

It's fine by me.

What? Cunning Strike? In that case no, because of that it sucks...

Not entirely, considering you can get 17 IP with no trouble via Font of Inspiration (WotC mainsite). Great way to take someone out fast as hell if it's needed (17d6+Iajutsu+3 attacks=Lots of damage).

[ravenkith]

Ouch. Sorcadins hurt for casting, no matter how well-built they are. I admit, I like them, but you can't deny that being three spell levels behind the Wizard is a bad thing.

On that note, I am aware of the weaknesses and strengths of a Gish build. I know they are hard to play and even harder to make work right, so you've got 30PB to work with (a well picked spell list will more than make up for the weaknesses).

Hrm. My gut instinct is to go with something like this:

STR: 14
DEX: 14
CON: 14
INT: 8
WIS: 12
CHA: 15

With the human +2 to INT, this wouldn't be so bad: at level 4, I can drop a point into CHA to bring it to 16, and maybe pick up a charisma boosting item early on (with only 2700 gp, buying one from the start is right out

I'm fairly certain that this will almost certainly not hold it's own with the other builds that are being submitted, and while I've seen divine casters being mentioned by other posters, no-one has actually submitted one.

In a three person game, inevitably one role is left uncovered: we've got an early bid for skillmonkey from the factotum quarter...which means that beat stick, divine caster and arcane caster are still unaccounted for. This was an attempt to bring something to the table that would fit those needs, but I'm not certain it isn't going to be a millstone around the collective party neck, and that just wastes everyone's time.

On Being behind the wizard:

My personal favorite in wizard is to go specialist transmuter or conjurer, and head for master specialist right out of the gate. And...you seem kind of down on wizards, no offense.

Being behind several levels isn't that bad, if you are planning primarily on buffing your own survivability (and that of your party) early on (E.G. Mage Armor, Shield, Enlarge Person).

Later, with arcane strike and wraithstrike, you can turn your spells into damage all you want, without having to worry about saves or SR.

At the end of the day, the build would end up with BAB 16 and caster level 18, as well as some decent saves and nice hit dice. <scratches head>.

I just don't know. Would you rather see something else?

[Sinfire Titan]

Ouch. Sorcadins hurt for casting, no matter how well-built they are. I admit, I like them, but you can't deny that being three spell levels behind the Wizard is a bad thing.

On that note, I am aware of the weaknesses and strengths of a Gish build. I know they are hard to play and even harder to make work right, so you've got 30PB to work with (a well picked spell list will more than make up for the weaknesses).

Hrm. My gut instinct is to go with something like this:

STR: 14
DEX: 14
CON: 14
INT: 8
WIS: 12
CHA: 15

With the human +2 to INT, this wouldn't be so bad: at level 4, I can drop a point into CHA to bring it to 16, and maybe pick up a charisma boosting item early on (with only 2700 gp, buying one from the start is right out

I'm fairly certain that this will almost certainly not hold it's own with the other builds that are being submitted, and while I've seen divine casters being mentioned by other posters, no-one has actually submitted one.

In a three person game, inevitably one role is left uncovered: we've got an early bid for skillmonkey from the factotum quarter...which means that beat stick, divine caster and arcane caster are still unaccounted for. This was an attempt to bring something to the table that would fit those needs, but I'm not certain it isn't going to be a millstone around the collective party neck, and that just wastes everyone's time.

On Being behind the wizard:

My personal favorite in wizard is to go specialist transmuter or conjurer, and head for master specialist right out of the gate. And...you seem kind of down on wizards, no offense.

Being behind several levels isn't that bad, if you are planning primarily on buffing your own survivability (and that of your party) early on (E.G. Mage Armor, Shield, Enlarge Person).

Later, with arcane strike and wraithstrike, you can turn your spells into damage all you want, without having to worry about saves or SR.

At the end of the day, the build would end up with BAB 16 and caster level 18, as well as some decent saves and nice hit dice. <scratches head>.

I just don't know. Would you rather see something else?

It's not that I'd rather see something else (I personally like Gish builds), it's that Sorcadins are hard to use due to the severe spell lag (you would be behind a Wizard for a long time no matter how you make it). Gishes have a very hard time surviving at the lower levels and don't really fall into place until about 8th.

As for the caster problems, that can be made up for via WBL.

[emissary666]

What are the limitations are druid

[Sinfire Titan]

What are the limitations are druid

Shapeshift variant is required, some spells may be banned.