Best entry into Ruby UrKnight?

[Arcane-surge]

Halfweight is a +3 armor enhancement that reduces the weight of armor by half and makes it count as light armor.

[Operation Shoestring]

Halfweight is a +3 armor enhancement that reduces the weight of armor by half and makes it count as light armor.

It's also Psionic, and teh fluff states that it's the work of illithid's, which means your DM is perfectly justified in not letting you buy it at the corner mart.

[RobbyPants]

It's also Psionic, and teh fluff states that it's the work of illithid's, which means your DM is perfectly justified in not letting you buy it at the corner mart.

If the prereqs for creating it don't specifically say you need to be an illithid, then anyone can make it.  Perhaps the illithids were just the first to create it.

[Operation Shoestring]

It's also Psionic, and teh fluff states that it's the work of illithid's, which means your DM is perfectly justified in not letting you buy it at the corner mart.

If the prereqs for creating it don't specifically say you need to be an illithid, then anyone can make it.  Perhaps the illithids were just the first to create it.

Oh you can craft it, sure, but you need Craft *Psionic* Arms and Armor.  Which doesn't really mesh with the build.

[BowenSilverclaw]

You can still  have it crafted by someone else, right?

[RobbyPants]

You can still  have it crafted by someone else, right?

Exactly.  Someone who needs not be an illithid.  So, it's no harder to buy than any other armor with at least a +4 enhancement mod (assuming you don't need a 9th level power or something in the prereqs for crafting the item).

[Agita]

You can still  have it crafted by someone else, right?

Exactly.  Someone who needs not be an illithid.  So, it's no harder to buy than any other armor with at least a +4 enhancement mod (assuming you don't need a 9th level power or something in the prereqs for crafting the item).

You need to be a [psionic] creature, but that's kind of a given if you have a psionic item creation feat.

[logofpenguin]

Straw Man,

I would suggest that completely RAW you cannot maintain having your Cleric Domain granted powers and enter Ur-Priest at the same time.

I would direct you to Complete Divine pg. 70 the Ur-Priest Special requirements.

"The character must have no ability to cast divine spells.  If such spellcasting ability was previously possessed (as with an ex-cleric), that ability is forever forsaken.  The character must be trained by another ur-priest."

Please note that there are, in fact, 2 distinct requirements. We both don't care about the training from another Ur-Priest so forget that.

You are taking levels in Cleric.  Obviously you do not worship a particular deity and follow your own ethical/philosophical code - granted on that part.

How then do you propose fulfilling the first requirement of Ur-Priest?  Namely "The character must have no ability to cast divine spells."

I assume you are going to *choose* to "have no ability to cast divine spells" - but RAW I only see two ways for you to do that - having a Wisdom score of 9 or lower OR alternatively...the second sentence of Ur-Priest special requirements which in essence are the "ex-cleric" rules.

As I quoted above, Ur-Priest indicates that if you had previously possessed divine spellcasting ability you can forsake that ability forever AS WITH AN EX-CLERIC.

The "ex-cleric" rules PhB pg. 33 state that you lose your class features. Class features such as domains.

Therefore, to enter into Ur-Priest after being in a class that could cast divine spells, you must do so "as with an ex-cleric" and hence "as with the ex-cleric" rules you must lose your domains.

If you do not wish to be subject to the "ex-cleric" rules then, unless you have Wisdom of 9 or don't take levels in Cleric, I do not see how you can RAW fulfill "The character must have no ability to cast divine spells."

If you would like to point to a source that states you can lose your divine spellcasting ability at-will, then I would be convinced.  Choosing not to prepare spells does not make you lose the ability to cast - otherwise a cleric who ran out of spells for the day could qualify - unless of course that's how you're reading "no ability to cast divine spells." Because no=zero, right?  Besides that, you still have to qualify "as with an ex-cleric".

In fact, if you wanted to get even more RAW, the ONLY way you could enter Ur-Priest [having already possessed divine spellcasting ability] would be "as with an ex-cleric" i.e. you would have to worship a deity to qualify for the "ex-cleric" text.  Let me restate this to be even clearer; being ineligible from the domain loss of the "ex-cleric" text 'because you don't worship a particular deity' would mean you are similarly ineligible from the required entry into Ur-Priest 'because you don't worship a particular deity'. 

Strictly RAW you're probably already ineligible without a deity - but I'm sure no DM will hold that against you so long as you enter Ur-Priest "as an ex-cleric" - without the Domains.