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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #380 on: November 08, 2010, 11:18:02 PM »
Wow... is this still going on? I mean I've been gone a year. There's a new editon out. 2! Hilare  :lol
No, it's NOT still going on!  This thread died (again) almost 3 weeks ago.  Stop necroing it.  It causes me to lose faith in humanity every time I see it.
I'll make sure to bump it again in a month or two, then. :D
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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #381 on: November 08, 2010, 11:29:18 PM »
I suppose you'd do so thinking you're doing me a favor, too.

Don't worry, it happens often enough when I go and read Failbook.

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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #382 on: November 08, 2010, 11:53:56 PM »
Wow... is this still going on? I mean I've been gone a year. There's a new editon out. 2! Hilare  :lol
No, it's NOT still going on!  This thread died (again) almost 3 weeks ago.  Stop necroing it.  It causes me to lose faith in humanity every time I see it.

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You should consider doing the same. Not very high-maintenance disciples, just need to make sure they have plenty of absolute havoc and water.


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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #383 on: November 09, 2010, 09:20:16 AM »
Hi Welcome

Though, speaking of the actual topic I have had the misfortune to run into several someones who not only honestly believes that a Fighter can defeat a Wizard, but that he can do so without optimization.

The first's point was basically "Hey, I can beat mages if I always make all of my saves, and the mage is acting as if Confused what with the random spellcasting and rarely using any spells of significance... and not CdGing a sleeping Fighter instead of tickling him with pewpewpew."

The second seemed to think that all classes were equal. He proceeds to get owned by a Wizard only using spells at least 3 lower than the maximum he can cast effortlessly. Then the Wizard does it again, using an entirely different tactic. Then he gets owned by a blasting caster 5 levels lower. Then he fields four of them at once, but they're all so weak that they can't kill or even half kill the singular Wizard when given free hits. They are promptly sealed in a death cage and disposed of properly, as befitting any high teens characters who literally do single digit damage... though some of them did up to a whopping 20. :lmao Also, none of em had Heavy Fort despite being at the level where it's mandatory, and stat boosting items were rather rare.

Overall, that line of dialogue was a hybrid between these two things:



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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #384 on: November 09, 2010, 05:19:08 PM »
Here are the four common wizard stances.


I haz COP, uh cone hat of hardyness an celerity. I Win!

Hellbent on believing their wizard is superior they use the same suggested routine tactics submitted on the forums in a typical wizard vs fighter thread. While their wizard may be soild, their lack of player skills, creativity, and ingenuity tend to be far below even someone who has played a wizard before.


I have shapechange and the ability to shift into the stuff you kill hourly is made of win.

Less often provoked outside of the Dire Turtle but still mentioned as an insult. Time Stop, buff up, Shapechange, die anyway. Damage can simply be dealt in too high of staggering numbers by people that go that route.


Diplomacy is a cross class skill for you and convincing deities to beat me up isn't fair. I cast Gate.

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My wizard can beat that submitted tactic.

The largest problem by far. Wizard is always prepared in the exact manner to provide a counter to any tactic ever.
That isn't a wizard vs fighter topic, it's anything vs Batman's batbelt and can plot items be beaten if the writer isn't around to empower it.

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The real answer of course is either one can win depending on far to many factors to detail out. Get over it.
And yes, the wizard has a shit ton more options and ways to do something. Yes, the fighter sucks, get over that too.
While you were arguing an Erudite took over the multiverse. So suck it.
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6: Skill based. Commoner, Expert, Samurai.
5: Mundane warrior. Barbarian, Fighter, Monk.
4: Partial casters. Adapt, Hexblade, Paladin, Ranger, Spelltheif.
3: Focused casters. Bard, Beguiler, Dread Necromancer, Martial Adapts, Warmage.
2: Full casters. Favored Soul, Psion, Sorcerer, Wu Jen.
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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #385 on: November 09, 2010, 05:32:30 PM »
So in other words, Hi Welcome?
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Sunic may be more abrasive than sandpaper coated in chainsaws (not that its a bad thing, he really does know what he's talking about), but just posting in this thread without warning and telling him he's an asshole which, if you knew his past experiences on WotC and Paizo is flat-out uncalled for. Never mind the insults (which are clearly 4Chan-level childish). You say people like Sunic are the bane of the internet? Try looking at your own post and telling me you are better than him.

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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #386 on: November 09, 2010, 05:37:01 PM »
So in other words, Hi Welcome?

*blows whistle* Red card. Incorrect usage.

can we kill this thread with fire yet? Every time I see it I lose the same amount of brain cells as went into reading it.
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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #387 on: November 09, 2010, 05:46:22 PM »
So in other words, Hi Welcome?

*blows whistle* Red card. Incorrect usage.

can we kill this thread with fire yet? Every time I see it I lose the same amount of brain cells as went into reading it.

Screw the rules, I have money.

Hi Welcome
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[spoiler]
Sunic may be more abrasive than sandpaper coated in chainsaws (not that its a bad thing, he really does know what he's talking about), but just posting in this thread without warning and telling him he's an asshole which, if you knew his past experiences on WotC and Paizo is flat-out uncalled for. Never mind the insults (which are clearly 4Chan-level childish). You say people like Sunic are the bane of the internet? Try looking at your own post and telling me you are better than him.

Here's a fun fact: You aren't. By a few leagues.
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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #388 on: November 10, 2010, 02:43:58 AM »
can plot items be beaten if the writer isn't around to empower it?
Tip: See Bleach (manga).

So in other words, Hi Welcome?

*blows whistle* Red card. Incorrect usage.

can we kill this thread with fire yet? Every time I see it I lose the same amount of brain cells as went into reading it.

Screw the rules, I have money.

Hi Welcome

Then where is my bribe?
Tiers explained in 8 sentences. With examples!
[spoiler]Tiers break down into who has spellcasting more than anything else due to spells being better than anything else in the game.
6: Skill based. Commoner, Expert, Samurai.
5: Mundane warrior. Barbarian, Fighter, Monk.
4: Partial casters. Adapt, Hexblade, Paladin, Ranger, Spelltheif.
3: Focused casters. Bard, Beguiler, Dread Necromancer, Martial Adapts, Warmage.
2: Full casters. Favored Soul, Psion, Sorcerer, Wu Jen.
1: Elitists. Artificer, Cleric, Druid, Wizard.
0: Gods. StP Erudite, Illthid Savant, Pun-Pun, Rocks fall & you die.
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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #389 on: November 10, 2010, 08:59:40 AM »
can plot items be beaten if the writer isn't around to empower it?
Tip: See Bleach (manga).

So in other words, Hi Welcome?

*blows whistle* Red card. Incorrect usage.

can we kill this thread with fire yet? Every time I see it I lose the same amount of brain cells as went into reading it.

Screw the rules, I have money.

Hi Welcome

Then where is my bribe?

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Friends don't let friends be Short Bus Hobos.

[spoiler]
Sunic may be more abrasive than sandpaper coated in chainsaws (not that its a bad thing, he really does know what he's talking about), but just posting in this thread without warning and telling him he's an asshole which, if you knew his past experiences on WotC and Paizo is flat-out uncalled for. Never mind the insults (which are clearly 4Chan-level childish). You say people like Sunic are the bane of the internet? Try looking at your own post and telling me you are better than him.

Here's a fun fact: You aren't. By a few leagues.
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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #390 on: November 11, 2010, 07:54:48 PM »
I'm sorry for bumping this, but I had to share:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzDbTD-Q-vA&NR=1&feature=fvwp

That is all.
[spoiler]Fighter: "I can kill a guy in one turn."
Cleric: "I can kill a guy in half a turn."
Wizard: "I can kill a guy before my turn."
Bard: "I can get three idiots to kill guys for me."

On a strange note, would anyone be put out if we had a post about people or events we can spare a thought for, or if its within their creed, a prayer for? Just a random thought, but ... hells I wouldn't have known about either Archangels daughter or Saeomons niece if I didn't happen to be on these threads.
Sounds fine to me.
probably over on "Off-topic".
might want to put a little disclaimer in the first post.

This is the Min/Max board. We should be able to figure out a way to optimize the POWER OF PRAYER(TM) that doesn't involve "Pazuzu, Pazuzu, Pazuzu".
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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #391 on: November 11, 2010, 08:09:36 PM »
I'm sorry for bumping this, but I had to share:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzDbTD-Q-vA&NR=1&feature=fvwp

That is all.

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[spoiler]
Sunic may be more abrasive than sandpaper coated in chainsaws (not that its a bad thing, he really does know what he's talking about), but just posting in this thread without warning and telling him he's an asshole which, if you knew his past experiences on WotC and Paizo is flat-out uncalled for. Never mind the insults (which are clearly 4Chan-level childish). You say people like Sunic are the bane of the internet? Try looking at your own post and telling me you are better than him.

Here's a fun fact: You aren't. By a few leagues.
[/spoiler]

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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #392 on: November 11, 2010, 10:37:55 PM »
I'm sorry for bumping this
This time, I believe you.

This thread preemptively lost me a good one of a similar topic concerning homebrew, because so few read the OP  :mad
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An interesting read, nice to see a civil discussion
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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #393 on: November 11, 2010, 10:47:59 PM »
I'm sorry for bumping this
This time, I believe you.

This thread preemptively lost me a good one of a similar topic concerning homebrew, because so few read the OP  :mad

Please explain.
[spoiler]Fighter: "I can kill a guy in one turn."
Cleric: "I can kill a guy in half a turn."
Wizard: "I can kill a guy before my turn."
Bard: "I can get three idiots to kill guys for me."

On a strange note, would anyone be put out if we had a post about people or events we can spare a thought for, or if its within their creed, a prayer for? Just a random thought, but ... hells I wouldn't have known about either Archangels daughter or Saeomons niece if I didn't happen to be on these threads.
Sounds fine to me.
probably over on "Off-topic".
might want to put a little disclaimer in the first post.

This is the Min/Max board. We should be able to figure out a way to optimize the POWER OF PRAYER(TM) that doesn't involve "Pazuzu, Pazuzu, Pazuzu".
[/spoiler]

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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #394 on: November 11, 2010, 11:02:08 PM »
TL;DR: PBMC made a thread asking about what the most abusive stuff was so it could be rebalanced, and made it look similar enough to a fighter vs. wizard thread on first glance that people joining in on the fifth page or later thought it was one.
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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #395 on: November 12, 2010, 11:27:45 AM »
I'm sorry for bumping this, but I had to share:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzDbTD-Q-vA&NR=1&feature=fvwp

That is all.

Epic Win is Epic.
I concur. That shit is almost better than the angel summoner.  :lol
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A couple of water benders, a dike, a flaming arrow, and a few barrels of blasting jelly?

Sounds like the makings of a gay porn film.
...thanks
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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #396 on: November 12, 2010, 03:51:02 PM »
I'm sorry for bumping this, but I had to share:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzDbTD-Q-vA&NR=1&feature=fvwp

That is all.

Wow... well that settles it. Wizards win.   :blush
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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #397 on: November 12, 2010, 04:22:35 PM »
Before that the jury was indeed out.

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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #398 on: November 12, 2010, 04:28:14 PM »
Before that the jury was indeed out.

Exactly...
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Re: Fighter V Wizard (Stolen from 339 boards)
« Reply #399 on: November 12, 2010, 06:29:29 PM »
I've no idea why I was filtered off of posting on this thread, even though I could view it.
Weird. Very Weird. Anyways ...

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