Author Topic: The Ultra-shifter (Read 8400 times)

Prime32 · « **on:** January 04, 2009, 02:07:14 PM »

The changeling wizard substitution levels from Races of Eberron let you shift your familiar between all its possible forms. There was talk about the cheesiness of combining this with Improved Familiar. However, you can go further.

Paladin 5/Wizard 5

High One Warrior-Wizard racial substitution level 5 (Champions of Valour Web Enhancement) lets you treat your special mount as a familiar. While it opens up more options, this isn't the trick. According to the DMG, a paladin with the Leadership feat may treat a cohort as his special mount for +2 LA.

That's right, your familiar can now turn into any character four levels below you at will. You can even turn it into another wizard and have it share spellbooks with you (though that would be a waste, since it has any spell you want, ready to cast).

woodenbandman · « **Reply #1 on:** January 04, 2009, 02:11:42 PM »

Don't forget improved cohort... but I'm not sure how this really works. Can you give me some insight as to how you're changing into a wizard and gaining items? I'm pretty sure you don't do that, though you could make it a sorceror.

Dumb-Age Master · « **Reply #2 on:** January 04, 2009, 02:50:55 PM »

Cohort is treated as your special mount. Special mount is treated as your familiar. Familiar can be turned into any of its possible forms. Therefor, you can have a Cohort be anything.

Straw_Man · « **Reply #3 on:** January 04, 2009, 03:19:51 PM »

Abusing it for at-will items as a cohort 4 levels below would be TO and uber-cheesy at that. Using it to get any creature or cohort .... whoah, yeah, still TO when I think of all the cohort-able creatures

Without the cohort bit, would taking construct and/or undead familiar widen your options?

Surreal · « **Reply #4 on:** January 04, 2009, 04:26:23 PM »

Since we're stretching into the realm of fuzzy TO

Wizard 5*/Paladin 2/Knight of the Blue Moon 1**/Beastmaster 2/Halfling Outrider 10
*high one warrior wizard AND spontaneous divination ACFs (required for KotBM)
**City of Splendors: Waterdeep - grants a mount and lets you stack wizard levels if you don't have a familiar

feats: racial emulation, natural bond, whatever else is needed for prereqs

I don't think this works with the cohort/mount idea, but whatever.

You have a mighty morphing mount 18/animal 18/familiar 5, which gives you: +20 HD, +15 NA, +10 Str, +6 Dex, Int 9

skydragonknight · « **Reply #5 on:** January 04, 2009, 05:35:11 PM »

...wouldn't the cohort need to be something that can be ridden for this to apply? I call for citation.

woodenbandman · « **Reply #6 on:** January 04, 2009, 08:20:15 PM »

A spellbook is not a racial feature, and you have to pay for your own. So that leaves infinite spells out. Still a cool trick, though.

SixthDeclension · « **Reply #7 on:** January 04, 2009, 08:23:22 PM »

Sorceror?

Straw_Man · « **Reply #8 on:** January 04, 2009, 11:41:09 PM »

Anything you can ride eh

I call succubus

Paladin/Wizards ride in style!

Surreal · « **Reply #9 on:** January 05, 2009, 01:24:26 AM »

*something*something*ridingbareback*something*something...

Lycanthromancer · « **Reply #10 on:** January 05, 2009, 01:32:08 AM »

Careful not to get any...ahem...saddle-sores.

Surreal · « **Reply #11 on:** January 05, 2009, 01:35:58 AM »

At last, a use for Paladin 6...

Straw_Man · « **Reply #12 on:** January 05, 2009, 03:14:39 AM »

CO we optimise anything.

BowenSilverclaw · « **Reply #13 on:** January 05, 2009, 08:23:04 AM »

Straw_Man · « **Reply #14 on:** January 05, 2009, 11:45:09 AM »

What fun fluff! A succubus that can transform into anything she's ~~fuc~~ ... er 'known'

and the paladin that was trying to save her.

Him: "You can turn into an undead?!!"

Her: "Necropolitan sorceror," shrugs, "it was a summoning."

Next battle: "A construct too!!"

Her: "Dildo. It was a slow day."

emaNsdrawkcaB · « **Reply #15 on:** January 05, 2009, 05:22:59 PM »

This thread needs a warning, I just had 7up fly out my nose. It burns so bad!

...Too funny.

Straw_Man · « **Reply #16 on:** January 05, 2009, 06:57:25 PM »

Okay, back on track ... the Changeling sub level, does it say what effect it uses to transform your familiar? The mechanism might matter as the Polymorp school of spells don't alter your mental stats, which of course would be even cheesier when your Succubus becomes an venom spitting raptor.

Prime32 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 05, 2009, 07:13:06 PM »

Quote from: Races of Eberron

Morphic Familiar (Su): At 5th level, a changeling wizard's familiar gains the ability to alter its form on command. As a full-round action, the familiar can change its form to that of any creature that the wizard could normally have as a familiar. The wizard gains the new benefit of the familiar while losing the previous benefit. If the changeling wizard does not have a familiar, this ability has no effect until he gains one.

skydragonknight · « **Reply #18 on:** January 05, 2009, 09:28:33 PM »

So you're losing 5(or is it 6?) caster levels as well as the ability to have a cohort with 17 class levels(since having a "normal" cohort eliminates the potential of a mount-cohort: and we need that potential for this to work)
for...what exactly?

Let me remind you of the criteria I'm seeing on your mount cohort's race:
1. Quadruped(DMG p.204 says a giant is not a suitable mount. you could argue there is a different reason than being bipedal but it would be silly to do so.)
2. One size category larger(DMG p.204)
3. Int 4+(DMG p.200)
4. If no LA, Add CR+ at least 3(cooler abilities=higher number) to determine effective level (DMG p.199) then add at least +2 LA to be a special-mount/cohort(DMG p200)

About the lowest you'll find is a CR 2 since you're medium sized so the mount has to be large. So the most class levels you can get is 10 class levels...I'm not impressed.

PhaedrusXY · « **Reply #19 on:** January 06, 2009, 03:54:26 AM »

Can't a Changeling turn into a small creature?

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Author Topic: The Ultra-shifter (Read 8400 times)