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Re: Generic Spellcaster / DMM Persistent Craziness
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2008, 04:06:43 PM »
Doesn't work for polymorph. You can't go above 15 Hit Dice.

You could with shapechange, but unless you got a breath weapon from a feat or a spell, you can't use it in that form.
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Re: Generic Spellcaster / DMM Persistent Craziness
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2008, 04:26:09 PM »
Doesn't work for polymorph. You can't go above 15 Hit Dice.

You could with shapechange, but unless you got a breath weapon from a feat or a spell, you can't use it in that form.
Draconic polymorph (persistable and gives +2 con) caps at 20HD, but that does us jack good with the behemoth gorilla having 21 HD.
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Re: Generic Spellcaster / DMM Persistent Craziness
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2008, 04:33:19 PM »
I think he's going to persist a spell that gives him a breath weapon too. So he can Shapechange Behemoth Gorilla, have a +6 con item, and breath a DC 40 Breath weapon that blinds/stuns/negative levels/entangles people.

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Re: Generic Spellcaster / DMM Persistent Craziness
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2008, 09:03:13 PM »
Except if he persists Dragon Breath, then his Con score won't be linked to the DC anymore, so it won't matter. Right?
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Re: Generic Spellcaster / DMM Persistent Craziness
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2008, 09:54:34 PM »
Except if he persists Dragon Breath, then his Con score won't be linked to the DC anymore, so it won't matter. Right?

Won't it? I don't know. I've never seen this spell.

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Re: Generic Spellcaster / DMM Persistent Craziness
« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2008, 02:54:17 PM »
Sadly, yes.  Darn it, there must be some way to pull this combo off.

I'll go read up on Draconic Polymorph I suppose.  Thanks, all!
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Re: Generic Spellcaster / DMM Persistent Craziness
« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2008, 05:08:50 PM »
Forget shapechange.

Go polymorph. Since you're going epic, research an epic version of polymorph with no HD limit.
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Re: Generic Spellcaster / DMM Persistent Craziness
« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2008, 05:14:04 PM »
Alternately, polymorph any object. You should be able to get that permanent, so you won't even have to worry about persisting it. It just stays on until dispelled.

(Also, it can seriously boost your mental stats if you get the right form.)
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Re: Generic Spellcaster / DMM Persistent Craziness
« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2008, 05:28:30 PM »
Yeah, I'd just go with a Dragonborn + Polymorph for a high Con score. Or you could just maximize the crap out of your natural con score, which will also give you alot of hit points. More hit points is never a bad thing.
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Re: Generic Spellcaster / DMM Persistent Craziness
« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2008, 07:34:39 PM »
Yeah, I was thinking of Dragonborn Mongrelfolk for juicy +6 CON at +0 LA, but the -4 CHA definitely hurts ye olde turn undead.  Not sure how the DM feels about stacking night sticks, but if he's allow generic classes, it probably won't be a problem.

Start with an 18 +4 Mongrelfolk +2 Dragonborn +5 Levels +5 Tome +8 Persisted Bite of the Werebear = 42

At level 20, with Ability Focus of course, that would be DC 38  vs. Breath Weapon.  Seems like we should be able to get that higher though.

Besides polymorph, what are some other ways to boost CON?  Any spells out there besides BotW that would give better than +8 CON perhaps?

I'd love a caster level, but would +6 from Lolth-touched be worth it?
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Re: Generic Spellcaster / DMM Persistent Craziness
« Reply #30 on: December 22, 2008, 07:40:48 PM »
Greater Visage of the Deity gives +2 or +4 unnamed.

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Re: Generic Spellcaster / DMM Persistent Craziness
« Reply #31 on: December 22, 2008, 07:53:43 PM »
Well, don't forget a belt of magnificence +6. A nice fat bonus to every ability score for a mere 100k. Stack on a monk's belt for Wis and an additional +1 to AC. Assuming you don't want armor, anyway. Getting a higher bonus (ie, epic belt of magnificence) is even better.

The belt also frees up your neck, forehead, hands, and shoulders slot for better items (for Con/Wis, Int, Str/Dex, and Cha, respectively).

Also, aging will increase your mental stats, and since you're polymorphed all the time, you don't have to worry about the penalties, so you can put more points into your mental stats without worrying about penalties to your physical stats (unless your DM uses the 'no hp changes via polymorph despite changes in Con' crap).

You can also get additional bonuses to Con by creating items that grant other stackable bonuses, though they'll be very expensive.

Also, if he plays with psionics is completely different, a psionic bonus to con (animal affinity) will stack with magic bonuses (though this is cheap and the 'psionics is different' variant is utterly broken; NOT a good idea).

There's also the trick that Pun Pun uses to increases his ability scores - bellflower tattoo/voidshaper, etc.
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Re: Generic Spellcaster / DMM Persistent Craziness
« Reply #32 on: December 22, 2008, 07:58:26 PM »
Belt of magnificense +6 is 200k and doesn't stack with Bite of the Werebear.

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Re: Generic Spellcaster / DMM Persistent Craziness
« Reply #33 on: December 22, 2008, 08:40:55 PM »
Greater Visage!  I forgot about that one.  Thanks, Tshern!

And I've been reading the Dragon Breath spell and it states:  "You gain the ability to breathe a gout of energy that as a standard action".  Everyone knows that the DC for a dragon's breath is based upon 10 + 1/2 HD + CON.  So would that be a legitimate interpretation of this spell's description?  If that works, then we can get back into the shapechange shenanigans!
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Re: Generic Spellcaster / DMM Persistent Craziness
« Reply #34 on: December 22, 2008, 09:07:55 PM »
But unless dragon breath has a duration of greater than instantaneous, it can't be Persisted.

I haven't seen the spell in question, but from how you described it, it sounds like a spell with an instantaneous duration.
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Re: Generic Spellcaster / DMM Persistent Craziness
« Reply #35 on: December 22, 2008, 09:10:18 PM »
Nope, it's 1 Round / Level.
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Re: Generic Spellcaster / DMM Persistent Craziness
« Reply #36 on: December 22, 2008, 09:55:52 PM »
Ah. Definitely Persistible, then.

Thing is, it's a spell, so unless the text specifies that it uses Con, it probably uses Int. Then again, most supernatural abilities use Cha.

It's a tossup, really, given the previously quoted text. Too bad it's likely not OGL, so you can't post all of it. Then again, this isn't Gleemax, so it's not like you'd get in trouble by ORCs or WizOs or whatever. :D
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Re: Generic Spellcaster / DMM Persistent Craziness
« Reply #37 on: December 28, 2008, 02:17:09 PM »
Touch isn't a fixed range.  It's been affirmed repeatedly.

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Re: Generic Spellcaster / DMM Persistent Craziness
« Reply #38 on: December 28, 2008, 02:38:05 PM »
By whom? If it was by CustServ or The Sage, they'll give 3 different answers on the same question asked 3 different times, so they're not a good benchmark for...well...anything.
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Re: Generic Spellcaster / DMM Persistent Craziness
« Reply #39 on: December 28, 2008, 07:39:50 PM »
By whom? If it was by CustServ or The Sage, they'll give 3 different answers on the same question asked 3 different times, so they're not a good benchmark for...well...anything.

By the FAQ since 3.0, for one thing.  It's a topic that has come up over (and over and over and over) again; the answer is always the same.  Touch is not a fixed range.  A fixed range is either "personal" or one that's expressed as a set number of feet propagating from the caster.