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Wil Wheaton reviews 4th ed.
« on: December 18, 2008, 10:56:39 AM »
Hey all, Wil Wheaton's Geek in Review column over at Suicide Girls went up today, and he uses the space to review 4th edition.  It doesn't really add much substantive to the discussion, but he's a great writer and the column is a good read.

http://suicidegirls.com/news/geek/23470/

Keep in mind that it's Suicide Girls, and while the link is SFW (they keep their news feeds clean) it could still flag your IT department.
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Re: Wil Wheaton reviews 4th ed.
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2008, 02:11:00 PM »
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When I played Fourth Edition, it was like they'd taken everything I didn't like about D&D, everything that had made it overly complicated and cumbersome, and thrown it all away. All that was left was the best lessons taken from 3.0, and the philosophy that made basic D&D so much fun in the first place.

How does it play? I think the best way I can describe it is: simply, without being simplistic.

I want his 4E. Mine was totally different. It's simplistic without being simple.
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Re: Wil Wheaton reviews 4th ed.
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2008, 02:22:01 PM »
Well, some people would love a computer with one button...
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Re: Wil Wheaton reviews 4th ed.
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2008, 02:30:07 PM »
I avoid Macs. :p
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Re: Wil Wheaton reviews 4th ed.
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2008, 02:55:00 PM »
Quote from: GawainBS on December 18, 2008, 02:11:00 PM
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When I played Fourth Edition, it was like they'd taken everything I didn't like about D&D, everything that had made it overly complicated and cumbersome, and thrown it all away. All that was left was the best lessons taken from 3.0, and the philosophy that made basic D&D so much fun in the first place.

How does it play? I think the best way I can describe it is: simply, without being simplistic.

I want his 4E. Mine was totally different. It's simplistic without being simple.

I certainly don't love it as much as he does.  But I can see his point.

I know for me, once I got past level 5 or so with 3.0 and 3.5, the minutia of character management was way more than I wanted to deal with.  I stopped playing Clerics and Wizards completely because of it.
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Re: Wil Wheaton reviews 4th ed.
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2008, 03:46:53 PM »
I can understand that, but on the hand, that's just the reason why I love D&D: your choices mean something.
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Re: Wil Wheaton reviews 4th ed.
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2008, 06:34:35 PM »
Quote from: GawainBS on December 18, 2008, 02:30:07 PM
I avoid Macs. :p
Hey, my Mac has six buttons, and that's not even counting the one that turns it on!
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Re: Wil Wheaton reviews 4th ed.
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2008, 01:42:18 AM »
Is the fact that Wesley Crusher likes 4e a good thing or a bad thing?
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Re: Wil Wheaton reviews 4th ed.
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2008, 08:35:15 AM »
Who's that?
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Re: Wil Wheaton reviews 4th ed.
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2008, 08:56:51 AM »
Quote from: GawainBS on December 24, 2008, 08:35:15 AM
Who's that?
You have failed your Knowledge [nerd lore] check, and the DC was only 15.  You should be ashamed of yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Crusher
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Re: Wil Wheaton reviews 4th ed.
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2008, 12:11:53 PM »
Maybe he just wanted to forget that part of nerd lore?

I know a lot of people wouldn't blame him for it :P

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Re: Wil Wheaton reviews 4th ed.
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2008, 02:46:33 PM »
Nah, even Wil Wheaton hates Wesley (and tried to stop the writers from going so far). No-one holds that role against him.
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[spoiler]Tier 6: A cartographer.
Tier 5: An expert cartographer or a decent marksman.
Tier 4: An expert marksman.
Tier 3: An expert marksman, cartographer and chef who can tie strong knots and is trained in hostage negotiation or a marksman so good he can shoot down every bullet fired by a minigun while armed with a rusted single-shot pistol that veers to the left.
Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
Tier 1: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything and the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.[/spoiler]

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Re: Wil Wheaton reviews 4th ed.
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2008, 03:03:51 PM »
I know, but not everyone else knows ;)

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Re: Wil Wheaton reviews 4th ed.
« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2008, 07:29:43 PM »
Quote from: BowenSilverclaw on December 24, 2008, 12:11:53 PM
Maybe he just wanted to forget that part of nerd lore?

I know a lot of people wouldn't blame him for it :P



Well, yes, I DID want to forgot about that. I mean, it's Star Trek. Only nerds who get their lunchmoney stolen by other nerds watch Star Trek.  :P
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Re: Wil Wheaton reviews 4th ed.
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2008, 05:57:35 PM »
He's a ~Traveller of some sort now.
And is able to Time Travel some how.
So he's back in the 21st century, trying to figure out how 4th Edition D&D impacts some future episode of Star Trek the Next Next generation.

Maybe the suicidegirls.com part is an attempt at Thrallherd Sacrifice, to make it into both 4e and future Star Trek.
Wil Wheaton conspiracy starts now/yesterday.
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Re: Wil Wheaton reviews 4th ed.
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2008, 06:02:26 PM »
Quote from: Wil Wheaton

"Maybe they've absorbed a lot of feedback from gamers who played 3.0 and 3.5, and they're cleaning things up accordingly," I thought. (Yes, there really was a third-and-a-half edition. That's a topic for another column, ideally written by someone else.)

Heh.
So, we're not the only one's.


EDIT - I'm very surprised this got by the Filter I'm on. Sweet.
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Re: Wil Wheaton reviews 4th ed.
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2008, 11:16:34 PM »
If 4E gets more people playing and exploring this awesome thing that is gaming, great. I'll even play it.

I don't think 4E will ever so successfully inspire me to create the way 3.5 and 3 have.
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