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Re: Is Pathfinder a Boon or a Bane?
« Reply #140 on: December 21, 2008, 09:40:45 AM »
Maneuvers are pointless suicide even if you are a full BAB class. 30% success rate and that's before factoring the enemy beats you in the stat contest (BAB, Str, Size).

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Re: Is Pathfinder a Boon or a Bane?
« Reply #141 on: December 21, 2008, 10:44:27 AM »
The combat manouver bonus is a tough one.  My group found the printed 15 dif too high.  Adjusting to 10 made it too easy.  We are currently working with a 12 which seems to work OK.

 
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Paladin isn't supposed to fight as well as the Fighter, or cast as well as a Cleric, his strength should lie in the availability of his roleplay potential. Something that people have cried foul on multiple times, but has never been addressed

It very recently has.  The current playtest fix involves giving the Paladin a Smite Evil ability that lasts the full round, then lasts multiple rounds at higher levels.

The theory is that the Paladin is a premature ejaculator.  While everyone else is still fighting the big evil guy, the Paladin is smoking a cigarrette - having blown all his smites on round 1.
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Re: Is Pathfinder a Boon or a Bane?
« Reply #142 on: December 21, 2008, 10:52:47 AM »
I don't know how relavant this is... I suggested a much more powerful feat tree to enhance "smite" in the Rebalance thread. Basically if at your highest level you get 5 smites perday they should be really really scary things.
Smite = guy gets smited struck Damage + Blindness + Silence + All within sight of the paladin get dazzed for *some arbitrary* number of rounds.
Really though I'm just wondering if we could make smite really really powerful... and varied depending on what feat you take to enhance it. Just a random dart throw right now. . . I've given it no serious though as you can see...
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Re: Is Pathfinder a Boon or a Bane?
« Reply #143 on: December 21, 2008, 11:48:33 AM »
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The theory is that the Paladin is a premature ejaculator.  While everyone else is still fighting the big evil guy, the Paladin is smoking a cigarrette - having blown all his smites on round 1.

Yet playing a Paladin can be so frustrating that the player wouldn't be able to get him up 90% of the time.

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I like the idea of a Smite with status effects. To be frank, I think that's something a Paladin could REALLY use. Heck, even the BSF has a way or two of gaining an advantage or two.
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Re: Is Pathfinder a Boon or a Bane?
« Reply #144 on: December 21, 2008, 12:37:31 PM »
I been kickin it around for 3-4 days... I was thinking O4A's way "per encounter" really works but what if you did a supply demand thing. Make it to where man NO ONE wants to get smited. Make it a big deal, maybe that be an interesting fix.
Give it about 12-15 smite choices as feats. make some for smite good, some for smites evile, smite "other" maybe have a feat that changes it to "smite infidel" and definiately give it an effect on people outside the smite "Dazzle" was my choice cause it works on undead. ... awsome.
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Re: Is Pathfinder a Boon or a Bane?
« Reply #145 on: December 21, 2008, 02:21:48 PM »
My view is that paladins should get 1 smite/paladin level, similiar to how a monk gets 1 stunning fist/monk level. That way it helps encourage people to stay in the paladin class rather than PrCing out at level 2, 4, or 5. A few more smite-specific feats would help, ranged smite and awesome smite are good examples. I think a paladin also should get a bonus feat every 5th level from a specific list of feats with smited related-feats on that list.

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Re: Is Pathfinder a Boon or a Bane?
« Reply #146 on: December 21, 2008, 05:01:51 PM »
I too like the idea of a secondary effect.  After all  -  the visuals of blinding with a "Smite" fit the flavor, and the effect makes it more interesting than "yawn - I do nearly fighter damage..."

Dazzle as well is a good fitting ability.  I could buy even a stun or a daze.  You could pick more stuff as you go up in level - and the save could be CHA based somehow.  Maybe a similar formula to stunning fist...
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Re: Is Pathfinder a Boon or a Bane?
« Reply #147 on: December 21, 2008, 11:12:35 PM »
Maybe Smite could have an additional effect such as cancelling Crit immunity for Undead/Evil guys?

I think that'd be AWESOME, and it might encourage Paladins that don't ALWAYS wield a greatsword...
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Re: Is Pathfinder a Boon or a Bane?
« Reply #148 on: December 22, 2008, 01:09:22 AM »
Stun, blind, and daze seem the most fitting to me.

Maybe auto-blinded for one round and save or dazed for one round.

EDIT- Smite is cloudy in my mind. Super holy powers vs giant demons makes sense, but it's not always so simple. Guess that goes with the alignment territory. I think we could use some new guidelines on alignment.
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Re: Is Pathfinder a Boon or a Bane?
« Reply #149 on: December 22, 2008, 01:30:13 AM »
If you look through the paladin smite thread, one of them has a big compendium I had put together of most of the ideas in the threads to make it easy to read and consolidated. It's worth a look through, but was far from finished.
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Re: Is Pathfinder a Boon or a Bane?
« Reply #150 on: December 23, 2008, 04:55:41 PM »
Y'know , personally , I don't care about Pathfinder ...

but if enough D&D'ers stick to v3.5e , instead of going with 4e , I suppose keeping tabs on Pathfinder
might
be worth it.
maybe
if

??

probably not
but you never know

just keeping tabs

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Re: Is Pathfinder a Boon or a Bane?
« Reply #151 on: December 23, 2008, 05:48:26 PM »
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Re: Is Pathfinder a Boon or a Bane?
« Reply #152 on: December 27, 2008, 05:23:08 PM »
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Re: Is Pathfinder a Boon or a Bane?
« Reply #153 on: December 27, 2008, 09:41:09 PM »
Y'know , personally , I don't care about Pathfinder ...

but if enough D&D'ers stick to v3.5e , instead of going with 4e , I suppose keeping tabs on Pathfinder
might
be worth it.
maybe
if

??

probably not
but you never know

just keeping tabs

If you like published adventures then definitely.
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Re: Is Pathfinder a Boon or a Bane?
« Reply #154 on: December 11, 2010, 02:12:46 PM »


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Re: Is Pathfinder a Boon or a Bane?
« Reply #155 on: December 11, 2010, 03:33:20 PM »
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Re: Is Pathfinder a Boon or a Bane?
« Reply #156 on: December 11, 2010, 03:50:02 PM »
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Re: Is Pathfinder a Boon or a Bane?
« Reply #157 on: December 11, 2010, 04:10:23 PM »
I personally like the alternate monk path that as its capstone ability, casts true res on allies in a 50 foot radius, and then kills the monk forever.  :lol

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Re: Is Pathfinder a Boon or a Bane?
« Reply #158 on: December 11, 2010, 04:11:16 PM »
I personally like the alternate monk path that as its capstone ability, casts true res on allies in a 50 foot radius, and then kills the monk forever.  :lol
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Re: Is Pathfinder a Boon or a Bane?
« Reply #159 on: December 11, 2010, 04:15:03 PM »
Didn't we have a thread locked a couple years ago because the Admins don't like threads that exist for no reason other than to bash another forum? The Logic Fail thread or whatever? I'm not saying I think Paizo's forum is full of intelligent people, or that Pathfinder accomplished what it set out to do, or that its "We're going to take your feedback and make a game out of it" line wasn't pure hypocritical bullshit, so please don't attack me and claim I'm defending them. I'm saying we all already know that, and it's incredibly masturbatory to raise a thread for no reason other than to keep pointing it out. And I really don't think we need Sunic masturbating in public, particularly considering his particular fetish seems to be some sort of necrophilia/bestiality/sadism judging from the extent to which he's beating this dead horse.
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