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time efficient wizard?
« on: December 10, 2008, 06:37:25 PM »

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Re: time efficient wizard?
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2008, 06:39:32 PM »
you need to be an elf to take elf generalist levels...
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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2008, 06:41:48 PM »
you need to be an elf to take elf generalist levels...
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Re: time efficient wizard?
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2008, 06:44:38 PM »
you need to be an elf to take elf generalist levels...

I thought I made it quite clear that i can.
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And I think I can take the elf sub lvl with any race.

But I'll say it again, I can because of a DM fiat I will most likely get.

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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2008, 06:57:55 PM »
Oh I thought that you meant that you can take it within the rules.  If the DM is letting you, go for it.  Without a party, bufs and debufs are not as great generally.  You have to focus on save or dies and battlefield control (and on teleporting the fuck out when you're in trouble.)  Incantatrix is good for save or dies though.  Arcane Thesis on enervation or ray of stupidity or disintegrate or scorching ray all work nicely.
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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2008, 07:17:32 PM »
Undead Warlock: "Who needs sleep and food?"

I think you can just ask for more house rules if you wanted to.
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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2008, 08:36:36 PM »
If you can use material from other settings, Unseen Crafter (Lvl 2 spell) from Races of Eberron will let you do any crafting you need to do while you sleep or whatever. 

I think casting a lot of Haste spells would be pretty flavorful for the character, since you're always in a hurry.  Same with nerveskitter.

Prepare Detect Thoughts and Locate Objects so you don't waste time trying to figure out what she wants for Christmas or where you left your keys.  Disguise Self so nobody notices that you haven't shaved or changed your clothes in weeks - you're too busy poring over arcane lore for that.  Phantom Steed for traveling around quickly.  Keep a Secret Chest with all your most useful stuff so you can retrieve it when convenient.  Telepathic Bond so you don't need to waste time talking with the party members.  Magic Jar so that when your body is exhausted, you can take over your apprentice and keep on going while your body rests.

Purchase a 3rd arm so you can multi-task even better.

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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2008, 11:41:09 PM »
Dude stop trying to use Wizards the way they weren't designed. Everyone knows that to truly optimize the art of not eating/sleeping you need to play a shadowcaster. Preferably a vampire shadowcaster with LA buyoff.

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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2008, 11:55:27 PM »
To truly optimize the art of not eating/sleeping, don't play a caster. Warforged Fighter 1 doesn't eat or sleep or rest ever. But I get the feeling that he isn't going for that, either.

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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2008, 12:25:43 PM »
Thanks for the advice on spells Akalsaris.

I will also look into necropilatan

Woodenbandman: You're making no sense what so ever. A shadowcasters needs 8 hours of rest before he can prepare a wizard 4... And a vampire has to stick in the same place half of the time (the sun part).

I know a caster isn't the easiest way of reaching no eating/sleeping. But then I always have something to do (spells, crafting, researching, reading) in that time.

Anybody got any advice on spell duels at low lvls?

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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2008, 04:45:39 PM »
Anybody got any advice on spell duels at low lvls?
Grease/Web and Reserve feats like Acidic Splatter and Fiery Burst.  Summons, too.  You need consistent damage output soloing as a Wizard; the reserve feats are good at this (while grinding it out at the low levels).

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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2008, 10:07:57 PM »
Undead warlocks in WoW have little downtime.  I believe that would extend to D&D too.
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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2008, 10:11:37 PM »
No, play a troll hunter for no downtime!  :lmao

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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2008, 01:31:48 AM »
Anybody got any advice on spell duels at low lvls?
Grease/Web and Reserve feats like Acidic Splatter and Fiery Burst.  Summons, too.  You need consistent damage output soloing as a Wizard; the reserve feats are good at this (while grinding it out at the low levels).

Nothing says 'endurance' like a level 1 Wizard with Precocious Apprentice and Fiery Burst.

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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2008, 05:27:44 PM »
Plane shift to a flowing time plane (with the best time/time ratio you can find), kill stuff to reach level 20, boom!
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Re: time efficient wizard?
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2008, 09:35:28 PM »
Anybody got any advice on spell duels at low lvls?
Grease/Web and Reserve feats like Acidic Splatter and Fiery Burst.  Summons, too.  You need consistent damage output soloing as a Wizard; the reserve feats are good at this (while grinding it out at the low levels).

Nothing says 'endurance' like a level 1 Wizard with Precocious Apprentice and Fiery Burst.

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« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2008, 08:35:21 AM »
You're going offtopic here ...

I don't want level 1 builds that have at will powers.

I might use the Time Plane idea although not as radical as you're suggesting. Do you know any planes that exist in Faerun that have that property?

Any (useful) advice on spell duels?

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« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2008, 10:29:58 AM »
Well, there's always this..

1. Martial Wizard 1: Improved Initiative, [Any metamagic feat]
2. Human Paragon 1:
3. Human Paragon 2: Iron Will, Sanctum Spell (Needed to qualify for spellshaper early on, retrain out of this, or darksunshuffle.)
4. Metaphysical Spellshaper 1:
5. Metaphysical Spellshaper 2: [Any metamagic feat]
6. Metaphysical Spellshaper 3: [Any feat]
7. Incantatrix 1: [Any metamagic feat]
8. Incantatrix 2:
9. Incantatrix 3: [Any feat]
10.Incantatrix 4: [Any metamagic feat]
11.Incantatrix 5:
12.Incantatrix 6: [Any feat]
13.Incantatrix 7: [Any metamagic feat]
14.Incantatrix 8:
15.Incantatrix 9: [Any feat]
16.Incantatrix 10: [Any metamagic feat]
17.Human Paragon 3:
18.Magical Trickster 1: [Any feat]
19.Magical Trickster 2: [Any metamagic feat]
20.Magical Trickster 3:

Basically your power level will be maximum, you apply metamagics at the fly by taking ability damage, persist each and every spell in existence and reduce the spell level adjustments by 2. Then you go for Arcane Thesis: Ray of stupidity, apply Twin, Maximize, Empower, Split Ray. That'll be level 3 spell for you, afaik. (-1 Empower, -1 Split, +1 maximize, +2 Twin.). 24+2d6 int damage as ranged touch. Do that in spell duels, target loses.


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Re: time efficient wizard?
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2008, 09:03:56 AM »