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Re: Psychic Warrior vs Fighter challenge
« Reply #240 on: January 05, 2009, 03:57:35 PM »
So I now have moved and I try to make final reviews on both of the challengers tonight. No guarantee, but I give it my best try.

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Re: Psychic Warrior vs Fighter challenge
« Reply #241 on: January 05, 2009, 04:01:15 PM »
By the way, Carnivore, gray elves have -2 Str and Con, and +2 Dex and Int. Make sure you raise your Init, Reflex save, attack bonus and AC, lower the DC of your breath weapon, your Fort save, your melee damage, as well as your hit point total.
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Re: Psychic Warrior vs Fighter challenge
« Reply #242 on: January 05, 2009, 04:06:45 PM »
By the way, Carnivore, gray elves have -2 Str and Con, and +2 Dex and Int. Make sure you raise your Init, Reflex save, attack bonus and AC, lower the DC of your breath weapon, your Fort save, your melee damage, as well as your hit point total.
Dragonborn have +2 Con/-2 Dex, on top of normal racial modifiers.
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Re: Psychic Warrior vs Fighter challenge
« Reply #243 on: January 05, 2009, 04:15:50 PM »
Ah. I forgot about that. My bad.
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Re: Psychic Warrior vs Fighter challenge
« Reply #244 on: January 06, 2009, 07:22:43 AM »
very nice Lycanthromancer ..... excellent build

there are some minor errors in it(you dont have the correct BAB for several Monster forms since your attack bonus is related to the Forms Str but still uses your BAB(Shimerlings have a Str 1... thus Attack +12 Claws of the Beast is incorrect)(except for ranged attacks, then its Wis))
11th lvl PW has BAB +8 ... thus Full attack +8/+3....

how would this build do without Metamorphosis?

Metamorphosis/Polymorph is already known to be the single most versatile power known ...... i conceed that a Fighter cannot beat Metamorphosis/Polymorph..... but without that power ..... the PW doesnt seem that imposing

do you think you could make a PW that can compete with a Fighter without using Metamorphosis?

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Re: Psychic Warrior vs Fighter challenge
« Reply #245 on: January 06, 2009, 03:51:47 PM »
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Metamorphosis/Polymorph is already known to be the single most versatile power known ...... i conceed that a Fighter cannot beat Metamorphosis/Polymorph..... but without that power ..... the PW doesnt seem that imposing
I hate to put it like this but I'm not being hostile so its cool but seriously, this is bullshit.

This is the same weaksauce shit that they start strutting out in the wizard vs fighter argument. "Well yeah the wizards gonna win, but if it didn't have XY or Z then." Well if you go through the list and remove everything you think is better than being a fighter at somepoint OF COURSE you'll win the argument.
  A large part of my original argument was that these guy are tier 3 BECAUSE they get sychronicity and metamorphasis AT ALL, along wih the teleportation powers, along with swift and immediate actions (which until the TOB the fighter had no use for.
Those are the things that separate the two.
If you take away all the best powers Yeah eventually they'll be equall.

The most truthful and relavant part of that post. Edited for completness sake

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I conceed that a Fighter cannot beat Metamorphosis/Polymorph/Sychronicity using Psychic Warrior

I say it that way as to NOT diassociate the Psiwar from his powers. You cannot defeat a psywar with use of all of its powers because, the class you're representing is inferior.
Metamorphosis, which is what high level psiwars are probbably using.
So what's next?
Psicrystals? Expanded knowledge?
Thing is the suggest dynamic is broke... the tier system took into account things like "being able to get more actions, being able to cast metamorphosis.
*sigh* Great Job Lycanthromancer. I'm glad someone took the challenge.



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Re: Psychic Warrior vs Fighter challenge
« Reply #246 on: January 06, 2009, 04:50:20 PM »
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Metamorphosis/Polymorph is already known to be the single most versatile power known ...... i conceed that a Fighter cannot beat Metamorphosis/Polymorph..... but without that power ..... the PW doesnt seem that imposing
I hate to put it like this but I'm not being hostile so its cool but seriously, this is bullshit.

This is the same weaksauce shit that they start strutting out in the wizard vs fighter argument. "Well yeah the wizards gonna win, but if it didn't have XY or Z then." Well if you go through the list and remove everything you think is better than being a fighter at somepoint OF COURSE you'll win the argument.
  A large part of my original argument was that these guy are tier 3 BECAUSE they get sychronicity and metamorphasis AT ALL, along wih the teleportation powers, along with swift and immediate actions (which until the TOB the fighter had no use for.
Those are the things that separate the two.
If you take away all the best powers Yeah eventually they'll be equall.

The most truthful and relavant part of that post. Edited for completness sake

Quote from: carnivore
I conceed that a Fighter cannot beat Metamorphosis/Polymorph/Sychronicity using Psychic Warrior

I say it that way as to NOT diassociate the Psiwar from his powers. You cannot defeat a psywar with use of all of its powers because, the class you're representing is inferior.
Metamorphosis, which is what high level psiwars are probbably using.
So what's next?
Psicrystals? Expanded knowledge?
Thing is the suggest dynamic is broke... the tier system took into account things like "being able to get more actions, being able to cast metamorphosis.
*sigh* Great Job Lycanthromancer. I'm glad someone took the challenge.

I believe this is the part where someone says "Plus Fucking One"  :clap
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Re: Psychic Warrior vs Fighter challenge
« Reply #247 on: January 06, 2009, 05:05:51 PM »
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Metamorphosis/Polymorph is already known to be the single most versatile power known ...... i conceed that a Fighter cannot beat Metamorphosis/Polymorph..... but without that power ..... the PW doesnt seem that imposing
I hate to put it like this but I'm not being hostile so its cool but seriously, this is bullshit.

This is the same weaksauce shit that they start strutting out in the wizard vs fighter argument. "Well yeah the wizards gonna win, but if it didn't have XY or Z then." Well if you go through the list and remove everything you think is better than being a fighter at somepoint OF COURSE you'll win the argument.
  A large part of my original argument was that these guy are tier 3 BECAUSE they get sychronicity and metamorphasis AT ALL, along wih the teleportation powers, along with swift and immediate actions (which until the TOB the fighter had no use for.
Those are the things that separate the two.
If you take away all the best powers Yeah eventually they'll be equall.

The most truthful and relavant part of that post. Edited for completness sake

Quote from: carnivore
I conceed that a Fighter cannot beat Metamorphosis/Polymorph/Sychronicity using Psychic Warrior

I say it that way as to NOT diassociate the Psiwar from his powers. You cannot defeat a psywar with use of all of its powers because, the class you're representing is inferior.
Metamorphosis, which is what high level psiwars are probbably using.
So what's next?
Psicrystals? Expanded knowledge?
Thing is the suggest dynamic is broke... the tier system took into account things like "being able to get more actions, being able to cast metamorphosis.
*sigh* Great Job Lycanthromancer. I'm glad someone took the challenge.

I believe this is the part where someone says "Plus Fucking One"  :clap


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Re: Psychic Warrior vs Fighter challenge
« Reply #248 on: January 06, 2009, 05:35:02 PM »
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Metamorphosis/Polymorph is already known to be the single most versatile power known ...... i conceed that a Fighter cannot beat Metamorphosis/Polymorph..... but without that power ..... the PW doesnt seem that imposing
I hate to put it like this but I'm not being hostile so its cool but seriously, this is bullshit.

This is the same weaksauce shit that they start strutting out in the wizard vs fighter argument. "Well yeah the wizards gonna win, but if it didn't have XY or Z then." Well if you go through the list and remove everything you think is better than being a fighter at somepoint OF COURSE you'll win the argument.
  A large part of my original argument was that these guy are tier 3 BECAUSE they get sychronicity and metamorphasis AT ALL, along wih the teleportation powers, along with swift and immediate actions (which until the TOB the fighter had no use for.
Those are the things that separate the two.
If you take away all the best powers Yeah eventually they'll be equall.

The most truthful and relavant part of that post. Edited for completness sake

Quote from: carnivore
I conceed that a Fighter cannot beat Metamorphosis/Polymorph/Sychronicity using Psychic Warrior

I say it that way as to NOT diassociate the Psiwar from his powers. You cannot defeat a psywar with use of all of its powers because, the class you're representing is inferior.
Metamorphosis, which is what high level psiwars are probbably using.
So what's next?
Psicrystals? Expanded knowledge?
Thing is the suggest dynamic is broke... the tier system took into account things like "being able to get more actions, being able to cast metamorphosis.
*sigh* Great Job Lycanthromancer. I'm glad someone took the challenge.

I believe this is the part where someone says "Plus Fucking One"  :clap


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Re: Psychic Warrior vs Fighter challenge
« Reply #249 on: January 06, 2009, 06:02:18 PM »
Wow. Thanks guys. I don't know why but I though I'd get a lot of disagreement about that.
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Re: Psychic Warrior vs Fighter challenge
« Reply #250 on: January 06, 2009, 06:03:50 PM »
C-C-C-Combobreaker!!!

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Re: Psychic Warrior vs Fighter challenge
« Reply #251 on: January 06, 2009, 06:29:57 PM »
then in all reality .... the PWs abilities are limited to 2 Powers: Metamorphosis and Sychronicity... to be of any Value?

you will notice that Metamorphosis is not a PW power... although they can get access to it


how do you make a PW in a game where the DM does not allow either of these Powers?(i will allow them myself)

also.... Lycanthromancer never Manifests the powers.... he uses a Constant use Psionic item(Skin) to gain the Benifit... if that is all that is required.... why could the fighter not use the same tactics to achieve the same or better results?

many people post on this board and back at WoTC ... and have requests with many restrictions.... Banning Metamorphosis and Sychronicity are at the top of the list..... what do you suggest to them, especially if they have no other games available in the area and the DM will not allow them?

i would just like to see a Build that does not use that type of tactic... but rather uses a better Feat/Power combo to prove the ability of the PW... since Manifesting Powers is virtually the only thing that separates Fighters from Psychic Warriors

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Re: Psychic Warrior vs Fighter challenge
« Reply #252 on: January 06, 2009, 06:39:13 PM »
He crafted the Metamorphosis item himself though, something a Fighter has, at least, severe troubles doing at.

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Re: Psychic Warrior vs Fighter challenge
« Reply #253 on: January 06, 2009, 06:39:45 PM »
then in all reality .... the PWs abilities are limited to 2 Powers: Metamorphosis and Sychronicity... to be of any Value?

you will notice that Metamorphosis is not a PW power... although they can get access to it


how do you make a PW in a game where the DM does not allow either of these Powers?(i will allow them myself)

also.... Lycanthromancer never Manifests the powers.... he uses a Constant use Psionic item(Skin) to gain the Benifit... if that is all that is required.... why could the fighter not use the same tactics to achieve the same or better results?

many people post on this board and back at WoTC ... and have requests with many restrictions.... Banning Metamorphosis and Sychronicity are at the top of the list..... what do you suggest to them, especially if they have no other games available in the area and the DM will not allow them?

i would just like to see a Build that does not use that type of tactic... but rather uses a better Feat/Power combo to prove the ability of the PW... since Manifesting Powers is virtually the only thing that separates Fighters from Psychic Warriors

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Re: Psychic Warrior vs Fighter challenge
« Reply #254 on: January 06, 2009, 06:40:49 PM »
actually the first PW was an excellent Build for this thread... but it fails against the second fighter build

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Re: Psychic Warrior vs Fighter challenge
« Reply #255 on: January 06, 2009, 06:42:10 PM »
actually the first PW was an excellent Build for this thread... but it fails against the second fighter build

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Re: Psychic Warrior vs Fighter challenge
« Reply #256 on: January 06, 2009, 06:44:44 PM »
it would beat it adventuring as well

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Re: Psychic Warrior vs Fighter challenge
« Reply #257 on: January 06, 2009, 06:45:29 PM »
it would beat it adventuring as well

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Re: Psychic Warrior vs Fighter challenge
« Reply #258 on: January 06, 2009, 06:46:29 PM »
other than beat your build ... you mean

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Re: Psychic Warrior vs Fighter challenge
« Reply #259 on: January 06, 2009, 07:05:34 PM »
other than beat your build ... you mean

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