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Re: The Factotum's Handbook
« Reply #420 on: August 10, 2011, 09:10:18 AM »
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What kind of ability is a wizard's spellbook or archivist's prayerbook?!
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Re: The Factotum's Handbook
« Reply #421 on: August 11, 2011, 01:42:41 AM »
Oh Oh Oh!

What kind of ability is a wizard's spellbook or archivist's prayerbook?!
Not.  It's an item, not an ability.
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Re: The Factotum's Handbook
« Reply #422 on: August 11, 2011, 01:58:21 AM »
Oh Oh Oh!

What kind of ability is a wizard's spellbook or archivist's prayerbook?!
Not.  It's an item, not an ability.
And yet it's printed as an ability under the wizard entry.
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Re: The Factotum's Handbook
« Reply #423 on: August 11, 2011, 02:56:02 AM »
Oh Oh Oh!

What kind of ability is a wizard's spellbook or archivist's prayerbook?!
Not.  It's an item, not an ability.
And yet it's printed as an ability under the wizard entry.
There's also an ability which lets you start play with an item.

It's like... ruathar or the thunder guide thing.  You know, the explorer class from eberron that has a class ability where you're friends with a family of drow.
Or that other class that has the ability to get royalties from book sales.  The GP aren't a class ability, but the royalties are.
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Re: The Factotum's Handbook
« Reply #424 on: August 12, 2011, 05:19:49 AM »
Oh Oh Oh!

What kind of ability is a wizard's spellbook or archivist's prayerbook?!
Not.  It's an item, not an ability.
And yet it's printed as an ability under the wizard entry.
There's also an ability which lets you start play with an item.

It's like... ruathar or the thunder guide thing.  You know, the explorer class from eberron that has a class ability where you're friends with a family of drow.
Or that other class that has the ability to get royalties from book sales.  The GP aren't a class ability, but the royalties are.

Congrats! You get royalties for one minute every day!  Better hope you use it when there's a ton of sales.

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Re: The Factotum's Handbook
« Reply #425 on: August 12, 2011, 05:38:13 AM »
Congrats! You get royalties for one minute every day!  Better hope you use it when there's a ton of sales.
Note that you get the ability to get the books for one minute each, but the books themselves stick around.

After all, if you become a 1st level commoner/19th level wizard, write a ton of spells over the course of your career, then get level-drained down to a 1st level commoner again (and fail your saves), you STILL keep the spellbook.
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Re: The Factotum's Handbook
« Reply #426 on: August 12, 2011, 11:37:05 PM »
I suppose that might work.  Damn, and it would give you all the base spells, plus the 2 per level that you'd normally get (since you'd have the spellbook of a level 19+ Wizard).  God, you could use this to generate spells for a party Wizard or just get some quick cash (not actually that much for a level 19 character, of course).

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Re: The Factotum's Handbook
« Reply #427 on: August 13, 2011, 12:46:49 AM »
I suppose that might work.  Damn, and it would give you all the base spells, plus the 2 per level that you'd normally get (since you'd have the spellbook of a level 19+ Wizard).  God, you could use this to generate spells for a party Wizard or just get some quick cash (not actually that much for a level 19 character, of course).

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And factotum//wizard/etc/etc/etc's are REALLY good, right?
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Re: The Factotum's Handbook
« Reply #428 on: August 13, 2011, 04:24:24 PM »
I suppose that might work.  Damn, and it would give you all the base spells, plus the 2 per level that you'd normally get (since you'd have the spellbook of a level 19+ Wizard).  God, you could use this to generate spells for a party Wizard or just get some quick cash (not actually that much for a level 19 character, of course).

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"At each new wizard level, she gains two new spells of any spell level or levels that she can cast"  Factotums can't cast any spells, since Arcane Dilettante is SLAs.

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Re: The Factotum's Handbook
« Reply #429 on: August 13, 2011, 05:19:06 PM »
I suppose that might work.  Damn, and it would give you all the base spells, plus the 2 per level that you'd normally get (since you'd have the spellbook of a level 19+ Wizard).  God, you could use this to generate spells for a party Wizard or just get some quick cash (not actually that much for a level 19 character, of course).

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"At each new wizard level, she gains two new spells of any spell level or levels that she can cast"  Factotums can't cast any spells, since Arcane Dilettante is SLAs.


Part of the issue is a Factotum's SLA's are very, very much like standard spells because of the wording of the whole Arcane Dilettante ability.  A Factotum can take normal metamagic feats and apply them to his SLA's for example.

I'm not really following on the whole Factotum/Wizard thing.  A Factotum doesn't need a spellbook at all and has completely free reign of the Sorcerer and Wizard lists, barring those spells which require an XP component.

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Re: The Factotum's Handbook
« Reply #430 on: August 13, 2011, 09:30:17 PM »
I suppose that might work.  Damn, and it would give you all the base spells, plus the 2 per level that you'd normally get (since you'd have the spellbook of a level 19+ Wizard).  God, you could use this to generate spells for a party Wizard or just get some quick cash (not actually that much for a level 19 character, of course).

JaronK

"At each new wizard level, she gains two new spells of any spell level or levels that she can cast"  Factotums can't cast any spells, since Arcane Dilettante is SLAs.
Thing is, she can count as a level 19+ level wizard for this purpose, according to the Cunning Brilliance ability.
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Re: The Factotum's Handbook
« Reply #431 on: August 14, 2011, 09:26:05 PM »
It's getting down to semantics, but I read it as the Factotum counts as a level 19 Wizard only for the purposes of said ability, and spellcasting is a different ability than spellbook acquisition.

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Re: The Factotum's Handbook
« Reply #432 on: August 14, 2011, 10:42:02 PM »
It's getting down to semantics, but I read it as the Factotum counts as a level 19 Wizard only for the purposes of said ability, and spellcasting is a different ability than spellbook acquisition.
Correct, but you still receive the spellbook of a 19+ level wizard, which was the point.
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Re: The Factotum's Handbook
« Reply #433 on: August 15, 2011, 02:47:49 AM »
How much is a spellbook of a level 19+ wizard WORTH, if they only get the levelling spells??
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Re: The Factotum's Handbook
« Reply #434 on: August 15, 2011, 03:06:57 AM »
How much is a spellbook of a level 19+ wizard WORTH, if they only get the levelling spells??

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/arcaneSpells.htm#sellingaSpellbook
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Re: The Factotum's Handbook
« Reply #435 on: August 15, 2011, 04:21:15 AM »
How much is a spellbook of a level 19+ wizard WORTH, if they only get the levelling spells??

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/arcaneSpells.htm#sellingaSpellbook
And I'm 100% sure that many wizards would be willing to give you considerably more than that, especially if you've 'found' some very rare spells.
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Re: The Factotum's Handbook
« Reply #436 on: August 15, 2011, 05:20:58 AM »
No doubts, but it pretty much depends on your DM from here on out though.
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Re: The Factotum's Handbook
« Reply #437 on: August 15, 2011, 06:46:19 AM »
No doubts, but it pretty much depends on your DM from here on out though.
Yup! But not if it's the wizard or archivist in your party.

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Re: The Factotum's Handbook
« Reply #438 on: September 13, 2011, 12:33:59 AM »
Something fun to think about: If a DM says a Factotum's SLA's are innate abilities, one can be augmented with Supernatural Transformation.  Of note is Limited Wish is viable for this, since even though a Factotum can't use spells with an XP cost, having it become a supernatural ability negates the XP cost IIRC.

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Re: The Factotum's Handbook
« Reply #439 on: October 21, 2011, 09:42:13 PM »
Hello, is it possible for a factotum 8/bard 1 to become a Sublime Chord ?

Is it consider to be able to cast 3rd-level ?

The class feature of the factotum permit to obtain the spell as spell_like abilities.