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What's the highest BAB with full wizard casting progression?
« on: November 11, 2008, 11:25:04 PM »
Assuming ECL20, the highest BAB I got was 15.5 using partial BAB stacking while keeping a base wizard caster level of 20.  (This character's BAB is determined while lying naked in an antimagic field.)

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Don't even need TO for this.  Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu].
Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"

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Re: What's the highest BAB with full wizard casting progression?
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2008, 11:51:50 PM »
And why isn't the BAB determined by Persistent Divine Power, thank you kindly Incantatrix most broken.

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Re: What's the highest BAB with full wizard casting progression?
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2008, 12:51:30 AM »
Huh?

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Re: What's the highest BAB with full wizard casting progression?
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2008, 01:05:39 AM »
Toss in a level of Bladesinger for 15.75. Once full BAB level short of 16, unfortunately (or 3/4-BAB casting class that could be taken level 5).

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Re: What's the highest BAB with full wizard casting progression?
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2008, 02:20:50 AM »
And why isn't the BAB determined by Persistent Divine Power, thank you kindly Incantatrix most broken.

Because sometimes you get stuck in an antimagic field and your divine power goes away.

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Re: What's the highest BAB with full wizard casting progression?
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2008, 02:58:20 AM »
And why isn't the BAB determined by Persistent Divine Power, thank you kindly Incantatrix most broken.

Because sometimes you get stuck in an antimagic field and your divine power goes away.
That's why being an Initiate of the 7fold Veils is better than being a "gish". One of the veils blocks AMF, and can be raised as an immediate action. :P

Also, AMF has a range of a whole 10 feet. So just walk out of the damn thing, then cast a spell to get away from the dufus with the AMF. There are other ways around it, like walls shrunk via Shrink Item to block LoS, etc, also. If the DM likes to throw anti-mage specialists with AMFs at you, I'd definitely use that kind of stuff.
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Re: What's the highest BAB with full wizard casting progression?
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2008, 03:26:23 AM »
Because sometimes you get stuck in an antimagic field and your divine power goes away.

And so then you walk ten feet, or Cast wall of force, or whatever. No issue.

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Re: What's the highest BAB with full wizard casting progression?
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2008, 03:43:30 AM »
Assume that a naked, unbuffed wizard in an antimagic field is trying to get at least 16 BAB with 20 base wizard caster levels.  This is mostly a theoretical exercise; the build's effectiveness in other areas is trivial.
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Don't even need TO for this.  Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu].
Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"

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Re: What's the highest BAB with full wizard casting progression?
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2008, 11:04:52 AM »
While it may not be 20th level Wizard casting, I find that Wizard 6/Warblade 1/Jade Phoenix Mage 4/Abjurant Champion 5/Shadowcraft Mage 4 works wonders in any campaign. Focused Specialist (Illusion or Conjuration) banning Enchantment, Necromancy, and Evocation is recomended to make up for lost spells. BAB +18, casts as an 18th level Wizard, and can pull Shadow Miracles out of his ass.


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Re: What's the highest BAB with full wizard casting progression?
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2008, 11:49:51 AM »
20th level sorceror casting: Battle Sorceror 15/Abjurant Champion5 = 16

Alternately, Be an outsider and dip all kinds of classes, you can probably get up to 17 BAB and 20th caster level :D

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Re: What's the highest BAB with full wizard casting progression?
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2008, 12:14:37 PM »
If you're willing to lose one level of casting, you can get Wiz 5/Knight Phantom or Eldritch Knight 10/Abjurant Champion 5, which would get you a 17.
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Re: What's the highest BAB with full wizard casting progression?
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2008, 12:32:55 PM »
Which veil blocks AMF?
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Re: What's the highest BAB with full wizard casting progression?
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2008, 01:47:40 PM »
Which veil blocks AMF?
The veils are all based on Prismatic Wall, and the indigo veil "stops all spells", and here is the relevant text of Prismatic Wall:
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an antimagic field fails to penetrate it.
And I think it can (eventually) be raised as an immediate action, so you could bring it up when someone starts to move up next to you with an active AMF, but before they actually catch you in it.

Violet should work, also.
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Re: What's the highest BAB with full wizard casting progression?
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2008, 02:26:54 PM »
Only problem with that is it blocks your spells too, and trying to attack through it means it gets to affect you.
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Re: What's the highest BAB with full wizard casting progression?
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2008, 03:05:40 PM »
Only problem with that is it blocks your spells too, and trying to attack through it means it gets to affect you.
The Iot7V can make a skin tight ward, that moves with him. You can't cast spells normally in an AMF anyway, but the Iot7V would still have his own buffs (including Shapechange, etc), and he could still cast spells that only affect his person. Also, anyone that tries to hit him gets sent to another plane, if he's using the Violet veil. And I think that one is on the outside, so even if they make their save, they would also be affected by the other wards you have up before they actually got to your body. I think they can "only" have two wards up at once, but still I'd say that's a damn good defense against an AMF overall. A hell of alot better than a decent non-buffed BAB.
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Re: What's the highest BAB with full wizard casting progression?
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2008, 05:21:46 PM »
Point taken.
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Re: What's the highest BAB with full wizard casting progression?
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2008, 05:26:01 PM »
But to actually answer the OP, you can qualify for Eldritch Knight without losing caster levels by taking the militia feat (setting specific).  That should help a good bit.

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Re: What's the highest BAB with full wizard casting progression?
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2008, 05:31:10 PM »
Battle Sorcerer 6/Eldritch Knight 10/Abjurant Champion 4 with Combat Casting and Militia.

BAB=18, loses one caster level though  :-\
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Re: What's the highest BAB with full wizard casting progression?
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2008, 05:35:03 PM »
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What's the highest BAB with full wizard casting progression?
Battle Sorcerer 6/Eldritch Knight 10/Abjurant Champion 4 with Combat Casting and Militia.

BAB=18, loses one caster level though  :-\
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Re: What's the highest BAB with full wizard casting progression?
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2008, 06:07:27 PM »
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What's the highest BAB with full wizard casting progression?
Battle Sorcerer 6/Eldritch Knight 10/Abjurant Champion 4 with Combat Casting and Militia.

BAB=18, loses one caster level though  :-\
I think I see another problem. :P
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