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Re: Paladin Captured by Drow Slavers
« Reply #80 on: February 09, 2011, 08:15:53 PM »


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Re: Paladin Captured by Drow Slavers
« Reply #81 on: February 09, 2011, 08:24:57 PM »
So I realize that this is post-TPK and the campaign's dead, but did you ever seriously consider brainwash -> agent of ultimate eeeevil?  I mean, it seems to me that the perfect revenge (from a Drow's point of view) for the vile cruelty of inflicting her Lawful Goodness on the world would be to trick/torture/brainwash/enchant/whatever her into the Grand High Evil Warlord of Vengeful Plundering and Evil, or something similar.  Plus, it cuts down on the early torture (they want to weaken her resolve, not her heart) and quite nicely introduces the potential of a grand crusade (what else would they want her to lead?) that they might go off and stop, or get caught up in...

Also, one thing that every discussion I've seen on torture in D&D seems to ignore is the great potential for psionics and magic in torture.  How about the illusion of burning to death?  Cast at a proper power level, they'd feel it without it actually being true - so it'd go on, and on, and on, with no physical damage to the victim.  Put them on the rack?  Why not just stick them in the middle of an illusion about putting them on the wrack?  Saves on space, too (they never have to leave their cell).  How about implanting memories through magic or psionics?  Let them spend a week magically/psionically brainwashing her about how her party was dangling her as bait on the rope, naked and bound, hoping to draw out the Drow who rescued her.  How about researching a new spell, "Illusory Fire Ant Swarm"?  Or "Burst of Pain"?  Or hell - how about researching a modified version of clairaudience/clairvoyance that lets you feel tactile sensations from a distance, lock it onto some other prisoner, and then torture them to death?

Or what about more subtle torture methods?  There's been research on the extremely deleterious effects of extended sensory deprevation.  And "Extended" in there gives them a perfect chance to escape scott-free, as long as the rest of the party is on the ball.

All this being said, while I'd never go out of my way to aim to torture a player (and I don't agree with the previous poster who suggested that's what the DM was trying to do), I'm a firm believe in "Are you sure you want to do that?" "Sure." "Are you really sure?" "Yup!" "Okay.  Then the rock falls on your head, and you die."  I'd rather let the PCs die (...or be tortured) through their own choices than save them through GM fiat and make the campaign essentially without threat.

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Re: Paladin Captured by Drow Slavers
« Reply #82 on: February 09, 2011, 08:36:20 PM »
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Re: Paladin Captured by Drow Slavers
« Reply #84 on: February 09, 2011, 08:45:28 PM »
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No one has ever been able to explain why "thread necromancy" is such a horrible thing. Especially on a slow board. Does having three months pass between posts spawn the next Hitler or something?

The whole "thread necromancy" thing just seems arbitrary and retarded.

This thread is about a party that TPKed 2 years ago. If someone wants to discuss torture in D&D, why not start a new thread, call it "Torture in D&D", and discuss it there instead of resurrecting a 2 year old thread.

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Re: Paladin Captured by Drow Slavers
« Reply #85 on: February 09, 2011, 08:48:29 PM »
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Re: Paladin Captured by Drow Slavers
« Reply #86 on: February 10, 2011, 01:49:51 PM »
Also, one thing that every discussion I've seen on torture in D&D seems to ignore is the great potential for psionics and magic in torture.  How about the illusion of burning to death?  Cast at a proper power level, they'd feel it without it actually being true - so it'd go on, and on, and on, with no physical damage to the victim.  Put them on the rack?  Why not just stick them in the middle of an illusion about putting them on the wrack?  Saves on space, too (they never have to leave their cell).  How about implanting memories through magic or psionics?  Let them spend a week magically/psionically brainwashing her about how her party was dangling her as bait on the rope, naked and bound, hoping to draw out the Drow who rescued her.  How about researching a new spell, "Illusory Fire Ant Swarm"?  Or "Burst of Pain"?  Or hell - how about researching a modified version of clairaudience/clairvoyance that lets you feel tactile sensations from a distance, lock it onto some other prisoner, and then torture them to death?

Or what about more subtle torture methods?  There's been research on the extremely deleterious effects of extended sensory deprevation.  And "Extended" in there gives them a perfect chance to escape scott-free, as long as the rest of the party is on the ball.
The thing is though, theres better and more reliable ways than torture, since all torture is really good for is wrecking the body and mind. Getting a specific outcome is like trying to make an ice sculpture with a sledgehammer.
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Re: Paladin Captured by Drow Slavers
« Reply #87 on: February 10, 2011, 03:41:34 PM »
Nice to know someone read this old thing recently, anyhow.   :P
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Re: Paladin Captured by Drow Slavers
« Reply #88 on: February 17, 2011, 12:59:35 AM »
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No one has ever been able to explain why "thread necromancy" is such a horrible thing. Especially on a slow board. Does having three months pass between posts spawn the next Hitler or something?

The whole "thread necromancy" thing just seems arbitrary and retarded.

Its because people will read the OP, think up an answer, reply, and then realize that their reply will likely go unread unless the OP still frequents the forums.

BG is more lenient about thread necroing though.


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Re: Paladin Captured by Drow Slavers
« Reply #89 on: February 17, 2011, 01:56:33 AM »
Unlike GitP, but everybody knows their moderators are mad.  :p

(Seriously, I've got like six months warning on an ACCIDENTAL thread necro...)
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Re: Paladin Captured by Drow Slavers
« Reply #90 on: February 17, 2011, 10:23:21 PM »


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Re: Paladin Captured by Drow Slavers
« Reply #91 on: February 23, 2011, 08:29:47 AM »
Reminds me of the times I've found an interesting topic on GitP and spent 2-3 sessions reading through 10+ pages of posts considering and rethinking my eventual reply then when I log in ready to read the last page or two it's locked for thread necromancy.

I looked back and the lapse was only a couple months and there had been several pages of new posts since the necromancy. The community had spoken this topic needed further discussion after having new life breathed into it by posters new to the forums or hell people that weren't on for a day since there's one board there that encompasses the topics of most of BG's boards so thing's drop of the front page fast. A thread that grows 4 pages in a day wasn't dead it was just resting.

And no making a new thread and linking is not the same.

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Re: Paladin Captured by Drow Slavers
« Reply #92 on: February 23, 2011, 11:45:45 AM »
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No one has ever been able to explain why "thread necromancy" is such a horrible thing. Especially on a slow board. Does having three months pass between posts spawn the next Hitler or something?

The whole "thread necromancy" thing just seems arbitrary and retarded.

Its because people will read the OP, think up an answer, reply, and then realize that their reply will likely go unread unless the OP still frequents the forums.
Lots of people might read it.
Me, I take necromancy as most commonly done by new or relatively new users, what with the reading ancient threads and suddenly having a Relevant Idea. And well, threads don't belong to the OP anyway, they have a life of their own. :P
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It's also a little cold because of that.
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I can barely read mine.

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Re: Paladin Captured by Drow Slavers
« Reply #93 on: February 23, 2011, 01:49:42 PM »
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No one has ever been able to explain why "thread necromancy" is such a horrible thing. Especially on a slow board. Does having three months pass between posts spawn the next Hitler or something?

The whole "thread necromancy" thing just seems arbitrary and retarded.

Its because people will read the OP, think up an answer, reply, and then realize that their reply will likely go unread unless the OP still frequents the forums.
Lots of people might read it.
Me, I take necromancy as most commonly done by new or relatively new users, what with the reading ancient threads and suddenly having a Relevant Idea. And well, threads don't belong to the OP anyway, they have a life of their own. :P
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