Author Topic: Satanism in D&D.  (Read 14357 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Prak, the Mad

  • Donkey Kong
  • ****
  • Posts: 648
    • Email
Re: Satanism in D&D.
« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2009, 11:23:09 PM »
I have no interest in a non game related religious discussion. I am not interested in gaming with a born again Christian preaching at me while I'm trying to kill goblins. I also would not want to hear a pagan, a levayan or an atheist preaching and or proselytizing at me while I'm rolling to see how much damage my fireball is doing.  However I have a big problem with the original post. Why do you have to make the Baatzu and the Tanar'ri allies? I hate that part. I love that the Demons and Devils don't like each other and that there is a clear distinction between Chaotic Evil and Lawful Evil. I think this conflict is one of my favorite pieces of fluff in DnD.  Giving a set of values, laws and beliefs to worshipers of Asmodeus is great. Especially if it is a set of values that leads one to put the self above others. That allows one to easily be tempted and seduced into EVIL. This is of course the whole point of devils in DnD.
Once he brought in the "Assmodeus organized the demons" it was kinda "A good dick sucking for my favorite devil-king!"
So... you know +1
ok, I'll admit that... it's also the way it made sense to me at the time.

Agrippa

  • Barbary Macaque at the Rock of Gibraltar
  • ***
  • Posts: 161
Re: Satanism in D&D.
« Reply #41 on: August 18, 2009, 07:16:41 AM »

incase anyone's interested, there're also the Nine Satanic Sins, things which satanists(and coincidentally, paladins) should avoid:
Quote from: The Nine Satanic Sins
So obvious, that it's painful, but really needs to be said for both satanists and players of paladins"don't get too big for your britches" again, so obvious, it's painful.this is really just "be mindful of the potential validity of other points of view", or, "you are not the end all and be all or even neccessarily correct."again, "don't lie to yourself""look at the big picture", again, Something Paladins Should Be Doing Anyway(hereafter known as "SPSBDA"). Also, "don't be Lawful Stupid"SPSBDAself explanitory, and SPSBDA

Technically all these would classically go under the definition of Pride. While Sloth originally meant depression and giving in to despair.

KellKheraptis

  • Organ Grinder
  • *****
  • Posts: 2668
  • What's the matter? I thought you had me...
    • Email
Re: Satanism in D&D.
« Reply #42 on: September 13, 2009, 03:25:50 AM »
Quote
You compare priests, ministers and Rabbi's to hustlers. That is simply put slander. I know dozen't of ministers and I know for a fact they all work their preverbial asses off. Working longer hours then for which they get paid to help people, personally with grief, depression, despair, the big questions of life etc.
this is overwhelmingly the case.  I know priests who helped people in east germany before the wall came down.  For their trouble they were imprisoned and occasionally tortured.

Quote
Hey, it's like the Stormwind Fallacy; more or less religion =/= more or less morals
morals always are religious in nature.  The term you are looking for is ethics.

I don't know if this has been adressed yet or not, but a distinction needs to be made.  Morals are self-imposed values/virtues, subjectively distinguishing right from wrong, such as murder is bad.  Common sense to most people, to the point of being objective.  Ethics are strictly imposed by society, and have absolutely nothing to do with a self imposed restriction.  Stealing is bad is an example of ethics.  Dual example : It's never right to murder someone (not kill, murder, BIG BIG BIG distinction there), but circumstances exist where it isn't WRONG to steal.  Starve or steal, I'm swiping food.  Call that immoral, I call you a corpse in 2-3 weeks :)

DISCLAIMER : This is not an attack in the least, but a view I hold strong beliefs about, as both an Ulfhednar and a radical.
BG's Resident Black Hatter
The Mango List Reborn!
My Warmage Trickery (coming soon!)
My PrC Pally Trickery (coming soon!)
The D&D Archive
-Work in progress!

miz redavni

  • Ring-Tailed Lemur
  • **
  • Posts: 64
  • all your planets are belong to us
    • Email
Re: Satanism in D&D.
« Reply #43 on: July 07, 2011, 01:58:35 PM »
Anton LaVey is a douche. His response to Christianity was lame. The real answer is atheism.
Anton was an atheist.

this is true and id like to stat that from i read some of you guys know nothing of his beliefs.

his satanism is the belief in ones self. you have your own faults and you should admit them. there is no god and no devil. there is only you.

i know some people dont like others to site wiki but <-that is pretty well done if you want to know more.

Sinfire Titan

  • Organ Grinder
  • *****
  • Posts: 5697
  • You've got one round to give a rat's ass.
    • Email
Re: Satanism in D&D.
« Reply #44 on: July 07, 2011, 07:01:24 PM »
this is true and id like to stat that from i read some of you guys know nothing of his beliefs.

his satanism is the belief in ones self. you have your own faults and you should admit them. there is no god and no devil. there is only you.

i know some people dont like others to site wiki but <-that is pretty well done if you want to know more.


Because threads dead for 3 years deserve being necroed...


[spoiler][/spoiler]

weenog

  • Grape ape
  • *****
  • Posts: 1706
Re: Satanism in D&D.
« Reply #45 on: July 08, 2011, 12:20:26 AM »
this is true and id like to stat that from i read some of you guys know nothing of his beliefs.

his satanism is the belief in ones self. you have your own faults and you should admit them. there is no god and no devil. there is only you.

i know some people dont like others to site wiki but <-that is pretty well done if you want to know more.


Because threads dead for 3 years deserve being necroed...

Necroed to basically just say I agree and throw in a link to Wikipedia, at that.

I skimmed the thread, it is mildly interesting, but it seems like a good example of why you don't get anywhere near your actual religion (if any) in your D&D game.  People take stupid bullshit far too seriously if it's RL stupid bullshit, and waste much time and effort on making up excuses about how the belief's holy texts and commands don't mean what they say, so as to twist it to not look entirely inappropriate for the setting.  All in the name of, what, convincing yourself D&D's silly alignment system does not reject RL you as a hero?

There's always room for one more with Nerull.  Paladin of Nerull might be completely out of line, but at least there's no kidding yourself about it.
"We managed to make an NPC puke an undead monster."
"That sounds like a victory to me."

awaken DM golem

  • Organ Grinder
  • *****
  • Posts: 3294
  • PAO'd my Avatar
Re: Satanism in D&D.
« Reply #46 on: July 08, 2011, 09:32:03 PM »
I usually get weenie filter tagged on threads like these ...  :rollseyes



Switching form RL to d&d is of course a problem.

If you over simplify Satanism as the polar opposite of Christianity,
and ignore the difficulty of translating C or S into D&D (mentioned again)
...

Taking C at face value, C says there is no good outside of God.
When you do good, you're only doing it because God is doing through you.
All other gods (lower case G) are not good.
Their worshipers only do Good because it's part of Gods plan.
Perhaps the same could be said of those gods, doing Good only because ...

So none of the other gods are actually Good.
Now flip that over for the S position.


So fluff can go a whole bunch of ways at this point. Crunch too.

I'm not trying to suggest a full RL/D&D translation,
or a fully accurate translation, of either.
 :debate but take it with a grain of salt.

veekie

  • Organ Grinder
  • *****
  • Posts: 9034
  • WARNING: Homing Miko
Re: Satanism in D&D.
« Reply #47 on: July 08, 2011, 10:04:48 PM »
Well for conversion, theres always issues with Monotheistic or Dualistic religions when the default D&D assumption is Polytheistic world with individually monotheistic priests.
The mind transcends the body.
It's also a little cold because of that.
Please get it a blanket.

I wish I could read your mind,
I can barely read mine.

"Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. At 2:15, it begins rolling up characters."

[spoiler]
"Just what do you think the moon up in the sky is? Everyone sees that big, round shiny thing and thinks there must be something round up there, right? That's just silly. The truth is much more awesome than that. You can almost never see the real Moon, and its appearance is death to humans. You can only see the Moon when it's reflected in things. And the things it reflects in, like water or glass, can all be broken, right? Since the moon you see in the sky is just being reflected in the heavens, if you tear open the heavens it's easy to break it~"
-Ibuki Suika, on overkill

To sumbolaion diakoneto moi, basilisk ouranionon.
Epigenentheto, apoleia keraune hos timeis pteirei.
Hekatonkatis kai khiliakis astrapsato.
Khiliarkhou Astrape!
[/spoiler]

There is no higher price than 'free'.

"I won't die. I've been ordered not to die."

RobbyPants

  • Organ Grinder
  • *****
  • Posts: 7139
Re: Satanism in D&D.
« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2011, 05:15:51 PM »
Well for conversion, theres always issues with Monotheistic or Dualistic religions when the default D&D assumption is Polytheistic world with individually monotheistic priests.
Well, I don't know that they're so much monotheistic as they just pick and follow one. They still believe in all the others.
My balancing 3.5 compendium
Elemental mage test game

Quotes
[spoiler]
Quote from: Cafiend
It is a shame stupidity isn't painful.
Quote from: StormKnight
Totally true.  Historians believe that most past civilizations would have endured for centuries longer if they had successfully determined Batman's alignment.
Quote from: Grand Theft Otto
Why are so many posts on the board the equivalent of " Dear Dr. Crotch, I keep punching myself in the crotch, and my groin hurts... what should I do? How can I make my groin stop hurting?"
Quote from: CryoSilver
I suggest carving "Don't be a dick" into him with a knife.  A dull, rusty knife.  A dull, rusty, bent, flaming knife.
Quote from: Seerow
Fluffy: It's over Steve! I've got the high ground!
Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: ****
Quote from: claypigeons
I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet.
Quote from: CryoSilver
When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!"
Quote from: Orville_Oaksong
Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
[/spoiler]

Prime32

  • Administrator
  • Organ Grinder
  • *
  • Posts: 7534
  • Modding since 03/12/10
Re: Satanism in D&D.
« Reply #49 on: July 13, 2011, 06:07:26 PM »
Well for conversion, theres always issues with Monotheistic or Dualistic religions when the default D&D assumption is Polytheistic world with individually monotheistic priests.
Well, I don't know that they're so much monotheistic as they just pick and follow one. They still believe in all the others.
Monolatrism.
« Last Edit: July 13, 2011, 06:16:41 PM by Prime32 »
My work
The tier system in a nutshell:
[spoiler]Tier 6: A cartographer.
Tier 5: An expert cartographer or a decent marksman.
Tier 4: An expert marksman.
Tier 3: An expert marksman, cartographer and chef who can tie strong knots and is trained in hostage negotiation or a marksman so good he can shoot down every bullet fired by a minigun while armed with a rusted single-shot pistol that veers to the left.
Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
Tier 1: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything and the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.[/spoiler]

RobbyPants

  • Organ Grinder
  • *****
  • Posts: 7139
Re: Satanism in D&D.
« Reply #50 on: July 13, 2011, 08:22:39 PM »
Well for conversion, theres always issues with Monotheistic or Dualistic religions when the default D&D assumption is Polytheistic world with individually monotheistic priests.
Well, I don't know that they're so much monotheistic as they just pick and follow one. They still believe in all the others.
Monolatrism.
There you go. I didn't know there was a term for it.
My balancing 3.5 compendium
Elemental mage test game

Quotes
[spoiler]
Quote from: Cafiend
It is a shame stupidity isn't painful.
Quote from: StormKnight
Totally true.  Historians believe that most past civilizations would have endured for centuries longer if they had successfully determined Batman's alignment.
Quote from: Grand Theft Otto
Why are so many posts on the board the equivalent of " Dear Dr. Crotch, I keep punching myself in the crotch, and my groin hurts... what should I do? How can I make my groin stop hurting?"
Quote from: CryoSilver
I suggest carving "Don't be a dick" into him with a knife.  A dull, rusty knife.  A dull, rusty, bent, flaming knife.
Quote from: Seerow
Fluffy: It's over Steve! I've got the high ground!
Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: ****
Quote from: claypigeons
I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet.
Quote from: CryoSilver
When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!"
Quote from: Orville_Oaksong
Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
[/spoiler]