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Re: Satanism in D&D.
« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2009, 11:23:09 PM »
I have no interest in a non game related religious discussion. I am not interested in gaming with a born again Christian preaching at me while I'm trying to kill goblins. I also would not want to hear a pagan, a levayan or an atheist preaching and or proselytizing at me while I'm rolling to see how much damage my fireball is doing.  However I have a big problem with the original post. Why do you have to make the Baatzu and the Tanar'ri allies? I hate that part. I love that the Demons and Devils don't like each other and that there is a clear distinction between Chaotic Evil and Lawful Evil. I think this conflict is one of my favorite pieces of fluff in DnD.  Giving a set of values, laws and beliefs to worshipers of Asmodeus is great. Especially if it is a set of values that leads one to put the self above others. That allows one to easily be tempted and seduced into EVIL. This is of course the whole point of devils in DnD.
Once he brought in the "Assmodeus organized the demons" it was kinda "A good dick sucking for my favorite devil-king!"
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ok, I'll admit that... it's also the way it made sense to me at the time.

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Re: Satanism in D&D.
« Reply #41 on: August 18, 2009, 07:16:41 AM »

incase anyone's interested, there're also the Nine Satanic Sins, things which satanists(and coincidentally, paladins) should avoid:
Quote from: The Nine Satanic Sins
1. Stupidity—The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.
So obvious, that it's painful, but really needs to be said for both satanists and players of paladins
2. Pretentiousness—Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn’t applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyone’s made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.
"don't get too big for your britches" again, so obvious, it's painful.
3. Solipsism—Can be very dangerous for Satanists. Projecting your reactions, responses and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy and respect that you naturally give them. They won’t. Instead, Satanists must strive to apply the dictum of “Do unto others as they do unto you.” It’s work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far from that point.
this is really just "be mindful of the potential validity of other points of view", or, "you are not the end all and be all or even neccessarily correct."
4. Self-deceit—It’s in the “Nine Satanic Statements” but deserves to be repeated here. Another cardinal sin. We must not pay homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered into is when it’s fun, and with awareness. But then, it’s not self-deceit!
again, "don't lie to yourself"
6. Lack of Perspective—Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain for a Satanist. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, every day. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do not be swayed by herd constraints—know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.
"look at the big picture", again, Something Paladins Should Be Doing Anyway(hereafter known as "SPSBDA"). Also, "don't be Lawful Stupid"
7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies—Be aware that this is one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something new and different, when in reality it’s something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the creator and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.
SPSBDA
8. Counterproductive Pride—That first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is: if it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when you’ve painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, I’m sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow, then do it.
self explanitory, and SPSBDA

Technically all these would classically go under the definition of Pride. While Sloth originally meant depression and giving in to despair.

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Re: Satanism in D&D.
« Reply #42 on: September 13, 2009, 03:25:50 AM »
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You compare priests, ministers and Rabbi's to hustlers. That is simply put slander. I know dozen't of ministers and I know for a fact they all work their preverbial asses off. Working longer hours then for which they get paid to help people, personally with grief, depression, despair, the big questions of life etc.
this is overwhelmingly the case.  I know priests who helped people in east germany before the wall came down.  For their trouble they were imprisoned and occasionally tortured.

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Hey, it's like the Stormwind Fallacy; more or less religion =/= more or less morals
morals always are religious in nature.  The term you are looking for is ethics.

I don't know if this has been adressed yet or not, but a distinction needs to be made.  Morals are self-imposed values/virtues, subjectively distinguishing right from wrong, such as murder is bad.  Common sense to most people, to the point of being objective.  Ethics are strictly imposed by society, and have absolutely nothing to do with a self imposed restriction.  Stealing is bad is an example of ethics.  Dual example : It's never right to murder someone (not kill, murder, BIG BIG BIG distinction there), but circumstances exist where it isn't WRONG to steal.  Starve or steal, I'm swiping food.  Call that immoral, I call you a corpse in 2-3 weeks :)

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Re: Satanism in D&D.
« Reply #43 on: July 07, 2011, 01:58:35 PM »
Anton LaVey is a douche. His response to Christianity was lame. The real answer is atheism.
Anton was an atheist.

this is true and id like to stat that from i read some of you guys know nothing of his beliefs.

his satanism is the belief in ones self. you have your own faults and you should admit them. there is no god and no devil. there is only you.

i know some people dont like others to site wiki but <-that is pretty well done if you want to know more.

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Re: Satanism in D&D.
« Reply #44 on: July 07, 2011, 07:01:24 PM »
this is true and id like to stat that from i read some of you guys know nothing of his beliefs.

his satanism is the belief in ones self. you have your own faults and you should admit them. there is no god and no devil. there is only you.

i know some people dont like others to site wiki but <-that is pretty well done if you want to know more.


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Re: Satanism in D&D.
« Reply #45 on: July 08, 2011, 12:20:26 AM »
this is true and id like to stat that from i read some of you guys know nothing of his beliefs.

his satanism is the belief in ones self. you have your own faults and you should admit them. there is no god and no devil. there is only you.

i know some people dont like others to site wiki but <-that is pretty well done if you want to know more.


Because threads dead for 3 years deserve being necroed...

Necroed to basically just say I agree and throw in a link to Wikipedia, at that.

I skimmed the thread, it is mildly interesting, but it seems like a good example of why you don't get anywhere near your actual religion (if any) in your D&D game.  People take stupid bullshit far too seriously if it's RL stupid bullshit, and waste much time and effort on making up excuses about how the belief's holy texts and commands don't mean what they say, so as to twist it to not look entirely inappropriate for the setting.  All in the name of, what, convincing yourself D&D's silly alignment system does not reject RL you as a hero?

There's always room for one more with Nerull.  Paladin of Nerull might be completely out of line, but at least there's no kidding yourself about it.
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Re: Satanism in D&D.
« Reply #46 on: July 08, 2011, 09:32:03 PM »
I usually get weenie filter tagged on threads like these ...  :rollseyes



Switching form RL to d&d is of course a problem.

If you over simplify Satanism as the polar opposite of Christianity,
and ignore the difficulty of translating C or S into D&D (mentioned again)
...

Taking C at face value, C says there is no good outside of God.
When you do good, you're only doing it because God is doing through you.
All other gods (lower case G) are not good.
Their worshipers only do Good because it's part of Gods plan.
Perhaps the same could be said of those gods, doing Good only because ...

So none of the other gods are actually Good.
Now flip that over for the S position.


So fluff can go a whole bunch of ways at this point. Crunch too.

I'm not trying to suggest a full RL/D&D translation,
or a fully accurate translation, of either.
 :debate but take it with a grain of salt.

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Re: Satanism in D&D.
« Reply #47 on: July 08, 2011, 10:04:48 PM »
Well for conversion, theres always issues with Monotheistic or Dualistic religions when the default D&D assumption is Polytheistic world with individually monotheistic priests.
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Re: Satanism in D&D.
« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2011, 05:15:51 PM »
Well for conversion, theres always issues with Monotheistic or Dualistic religions when the default D&D assumption is Polytheistic world with individually monotheistic priests.
Well, I don't know that they're so much monotheistic as they just pick and follow one. They still believe in all the others.
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Re: Satanism in D&D.
« Reply #49 on: July 13, 2011, 06:07:26 PM »
Well for conversion, theres always issues with Monotheistic or Dualistic religions when the default D&D assumption is Polytheistic world with individually monotheistic priests.
Well, I don't know that they're so much monotheistic as they just pick and follow one. They still believe in all the others.
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Re: Satanism in D&D.
« Reply #50 on: July 13, 2011, 08:22:39 PM »
Well for conversion, theres always issues with Monotheistic or Dualistic religions when the default D&D assumption is Polytheistic world with individually monotheistic priests.
Well, I don't know that they're so much monotheistic as they just pick and follow one. They still believe in all the others.
Monolatrism.
There you go. I didn't know there was a term for it.
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