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Re: Do we have a dirty trick handbook?
« Reply #880 on: September 17, 2009, 06:12:46 PM »
Here's something I saw mentioned recently on GitP.

Cast the following spells on an enemy in order: flesh to stone, transmute rock to mud, purify food and drink. They are technically still alive and cannot be resurrected, but there is no way to return them to normal. :D Okay, there's a few places where this gets tied up, but it's funny.
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Re: Do we have a dirty trick handbook?
« Reply #881 on: September 17, 2009, 06:18:43 PM »
Here's something I saw mentioned recently on GitP.

Cast the following spells on an enemy in order: flesh to stone, transmute rock to mud, purify food and drink. They are technically still alive and cannot be resurrected, but there is no way to return them to normal. :D Okay, there's a few places where this gets tied up, but it's funny.

Since mud is technically dirt and water... I can definitely see it working.

Plus you have your all natural water elemental now!

I assume Colossal Fleshgrinding arrows + Shrink Item + Manyshot have already been mentioned somewhere. It's mostly a damage trick, but the mental image of someone being torn by regular arrows that grow to the size of a tree trunk makes me giggle.
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Re: Do we have a dirty trick handbook?
« Reply #882 on: September 19, 2009, 09:49:07 PM »
There may be rulings that make this one not work, and it may be old news, but...

A strong titan bloodline grants Use Oversized Weapon, as the titan ability at level 12.  That ability reads as follows:

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A titan wields a great, two-handed warhammer (big enough for Gargantuan creatures) without penalty.

For a titan, which is already a huge creature, this is no big deal.  However, a halfling with a strong titan bloodline, you have a small creature wielding a gargantuan warhammer.  If you put down that warhammer and use a psionic tattoo of Compression, you can shrink down to diminutive, but you still have Use Oversized Weapon, meaning you can pick that gargantuan warhammer right back up.

Next, you cast Giant Size at a caster level of 19 or better, which increases your size all the way to colossal.  An increase of seven size categories.  Your warhammer also increases in size by seven size categories, making it six size categories beyond colossal, and off of any weapon damage chart I know of.  However, extrapolating off of the A&EG charts, it would be 40d6 base damage or better.

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Re: Do we have a dirty trick handbook?
« Reply #883 on: September 19, 2009, 10:30:20 PM »
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Re: Do we have a dirty trick handbook?
« Reply #884 on: September 19, 2009, 11:07:22 PM »
Good point.  48d6 damage, then.

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Re: Do we have a dirty trick handbook?
« Reply #885 on: September 20, 2009, 05:29:33 AM »
There may be rulings that make this one not work, and it may be old news, but...

A strong titan bloodline grants Use Oversized Weapon, as the titan ability at level 12.  That ability reads as follows:

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Oversized Weapon (Ex)

A titan wields a great, two-handed warhammer (big enough for Gargantuan creatures) without penalty.

For a titan, which is already a huge creature, this is no big deal.  However, a halfling with a strong titan bloodline, you have a small creature wielding a gargantuan warhammer.  If you put down that warhammer and use a psionic tattoo of Compression, you can shrink down to diminutive, but you still have Use Oversized Weapon, meaning you can pick that gargantuan warhammer right back up.

Next, you cast Giant Size at a caster level of 19 or better, which increases your size all the way to colossal.  An increase of seven size categories.  Your warhammer also increases in size by seven size categories, making it six size categories beyond colossal, and off of any weapon damage chart I know of.  However, extrapolating off of the A&EG charts, it would be 40d6 base damage or better.

No then you'd have a Colossal++++++ hammer not a Gargantuan hammer. You would get the penalties.

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Re: Do we have a dirty trick handbook?
« Reply #886 on: September 22, 2009, 01:24:38 AM »
No, you wouldn't get the penalties, as Giant Size explicitly gandfathers in your gear, so the fact that it isn't gargantuan anymore doesn't matter.

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Re: Do we have a dirty trick handbook?
« Reply #887 on: September 22, 2009, 01:42:27 AM »
the oversized weapon quality says "gargantuan", not "gardgantuan, in relation to your size catagory".  being able to weild an even bigger hammer after casting giant size is RAI, and RAI says that oversized weapon is intended to be only one size catagory bigger than you.  RAW or RAI, pick one. you can stack both favorably.
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Re: Do we have a dirty trick handbook?
« Reply #888 on: September 22, 2009, 05:41:13 AM »
No, you wouldn't get the penalties, as Giant Size explicitly gandfathers in your gear, so the fact that it isn't gargantuan anymore doesn't matter.

In a normal situation, yes. But the RAW intepretation only says Gargantuan, unlike other similar effects.

Normal Situation, Example: Goliath with a Large Hammer which is somehow enlarged -> Large Goliath with a Huge Hammer. Powerful build states one size larger, so no penalties since the weapon is still one size large.

This Situation: Dimunitive Creature with a Gargantuan... Hammer with Giant Size -> Colossal Creature with a Colossal++++++ Hammer. Oversized weapon does not apply since it states gargantuan. You thus get penalties for wielding a weapon 6 sizes too big. The over-specificity of Oversized Weapon (EX) which you abused to wield the gargantuan hammer turned out to be your downfall.

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Re: Do we have a dirty trick handbook?
« Reply #889 on: September 22, 2009, 11:23:04 AM »
However, once you cast Giant Size, you're not using Use Oversized Weapon to wield the hammer anymore.  You're using Giant Size, which explicitly retains your ability to use your gear.  Quotey text:
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All your equipment changes size with you, allowing you to use weapons or magic items effectively in your giant form.
Allowing you to effectively use your gear means no extra penalties for the stunt.  No, it's not gargantuan anymore, but that doesn't matter because it gets explicitly grandfathered in by Giant Size.

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Re: Do we have a dirty trick handbook?
« Reply #890 on: September 22, 2009, 11:26:59 AM »
...this is what I get for being away from books...

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Re: Do we have a dirty trick handbook?
« Reply #891 on: September 22, 2009, 12:02:50 PM »
well thats just silly. But its still a nice literal RAW trick  :clap
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Re: Do we have a dirty trick handbook?
« Reply #892 on: September 22, 2009, 02:16:38 PM »
well thats just silly. But its still a nice literal RAW trick  :clap
You think that's silly, I once had a human rogue that would sneak attack with a collasal Sap...
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Re: Do we have a dirty trick handbook?
« Reply #893 on: September 22, 2009, 05:38:34 PM »
well thats just silly. But its still a nice literal RAW trick  :clap
You think that's silly, I once had a human rogue that would sneak attack with a collasal Sap...

Who were you trying to put to sleep?
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Re: Do we have a dirty trick handbook?
« Reply #894 on: September 22, 2009, 05:53:36 PM »
well thats just silly. But its still a nice literal RAW trick  :clap
You think that's silly, I once had a human rogue that would sneak attack with a collasal Sap...
Who were you trying to put to sleep?
Paladin guarding a sleeping kingling.
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Re: Do we have a dirty trick handbook?
« Reply #895 on: September 22, 2009, 05:58:33 PM »
well thats just silly. But its still a nice literal RAW trick  :clap
You think that's silly, I once had a human rogue that would sneak attack with a collasal Sap...
Who were you trying to put to sleep?
Paladin guarding a sleeping kingling.

How did you get away with sneaking in a weapon that was over sixteen times your own size? Shrink Item?
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Re: Do we have a dirty trick handbook?
« Reply #896 on: September 22, 2009, 06:01:49 PM »
well thats just silly. But its still a nice literal RAW trick  :clap
You think that's silly, I once had a human rogue that would sneak attack with a collasal Sap...
Who were you trying to put to sleep?
Paladin guarding a sleeping kingling.
How did you get away with sneaking in a weapon that was over sixteen times your own size? Shrink Item?
Shadow dancer and ring of invisibility...
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Re: Do we have a dirty trick handbook?
« Reply #897 on: November 03, 2009, 05:58:56 PM »
Hm, possible refinement of the Haunt Shift trick: make your statue Colossal, then cast Shrink Object on it. Nothing in Shrink Object says its HP changes (so we must assume that by default it does not), and you lose the nasty size modifiers to AC and attacks. Plus you can disguise yourself a lot easier (I had an idea for such a suit of armor being worn by a corpse with a Continual Flame spell on it (the corpse, I mean), so that everyone would assume the corpse is the bad guy).
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Re: Do we have a dirty trick handbook?
« Reply #898 on: November 03, 2009, 07:13:16 PM »
Hm, possible refinement of the Haunt Shift trick: make your statue Colossal, then cast Shrink Object on it. Nothing in Shrink Object says its HP changes (so we must assume that by default it does not), and you lose the nasty size modifiers to AC and attacks. Plus you can disguise yourself a lot easier (I had an idea for such a suit of armor being worn by a corpse with a Continual Flame spell on it (the corpse, I mean), so that everyone would assume the corpse is the bad guy).

Hmmm, that might work, assuming that the rules for object HP doesn't have size interfere with it at all.
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Re: Do we have a dirty trick handbook?
« Reply #899 on: November 03, 2009, 09:53:34 PM »
Although i can't remember the exact combination of feats, a non-epic level, non-spell caster can cover an entire world (Or maybe plane) is a nigh-endless field of elemental damage, using the dragonborn's breathe weapon, and liberal aplications of metabreathe feats from the dracomicon.

Lingering Breath and Widen Breath can be applied as often as you like, but they delay your next use of the ability. So you apply each of them infinite times and never get to use your breath weapon again. The breath weapon is infinitely wide and lasts infinitely long. So the entire plane is burning forever.

Actually I think dying resets all X/time things to expended normally so the breath timer could be fixed bya contingent revivify followed by killing yourself and then resting upon coming back.
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