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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #120 on: November 14, 2008, 08:55:31 PM »
I banned the Truenamer and the Soulborn for power concerns.

I don't let my players take awful classes.
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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #121 on: November 14, 2008, 10:06:28 PM »
I actually am doing a big write-up on it in the 'sourcebook' I'm writing. Eberron's 'everyone is awesome, everything is okay, let's all use everything' approach unfortunately gives equal credence to the Sevenfold Veil Initiate and the Invisible Blade with all the Samurai to Archivist malarkey that lies between. So, I instead judiciously murdered a bunch of prestige classes that work better as feats, fixed fighters, and use feats and features to encourage people to take classes to a higher level for power reasons, and to specialise into prestige classes as either multiclass tools (like the Eldritch Knight) or flavour specialisations (like the Bear Warrior).

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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #122 on: November 14, 2008, 10:23:24 PM »
I banned the Truenamer and the Soulborn for power concerns.

I don't let my players take awful classes.

I meant he banned them for being overpowered/never read the book. He took one look at the Truenamer and banned it for having an ability that was At Will, despite it needing a skill check. He never even touched the MoI in his life.


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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #123 on: November 14, 2008, 10:26:46 PM »
Oh yes, even a stopped clock occasionally finds a nut. He was wrong for why he did it, but the effect I agree with.

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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #124 on: November 14, 2008, 10:40:44 PM »
Oh yes, even a stopped clock occasionally finds a nut. He was wrong for why he did it, but the effect I agree with.

Idiocy really should be painful though.


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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #125 on: November 14, 2008, 10:49:15 PM »
If you assume that 'less well versed in the minutae of a game' is 'idiotic', then yes. On the other hand, my gaming group features people with busy lives and high aims, so I like streamlining games.

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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #126 on: November 14, 2008, 11:06:57 PM »
If you assume that 'less well versed in the minutae of a game' is 'idiotic', then yes. On the other hand, my gaming group features people with busy lives and high aims, so I like streamlining games.

On second thought, people would just invent stronger pain killers if more idiots got hurt.


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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #127 on: November 15, 2008, 02:00:11 AM »
Feeling smug and superior to the majority of the population's fun, isn't it?

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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #128 on: November 15, 2008, 12:57:16 PM »
I actually am doing a big write-up on it in the 'sourcebook' I'm writing. Eberron's 'everyone is awesome, everything is okay, let's all use everything' approach unfortunately gives equal credence to the Sevenfold Veil Initiate and the Invisible Blade with all the Samurai to Archivist malarkey that lies between. So, I instead judiciously murdered a bunch of prestige classes that work better as feats, fixed fighters, and use feats and features to encourage people to take classes to a higher level for power reasons, and to specialise into prestige classes as either multiclass tools (like the Eldritch Knight) or flavour specialisations (like the Bear Warrior).

I'll be interested to see how this turns out.

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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #129 on: November 15, 2008, 02:03:19 PM »
Feeling smug and superior to the majority of the population's fun, isn't it?

Yes. Especially when you are right.
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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #130 on: November 15, 2008, 04:30:54 PM »

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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #131 on: November 15, 2008, 04:45:04 PM »

  Or you believe you are.

Which is an objectively provable experiment. Just run enough tests to be scientifically valid. Anyone who is at least 21 years of age is covered by default, provided they paid attention in their lives.
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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #132 on: November 15, 2008, 05:17:26 PM »
Which is an objectively provable experiment. Just run enough tests to be scientifically valid. Anyone who is at least 21 years of age is covered by default, provided they paid attention in their lives.
I disagree. Intellectual superiority is not provable. Beating someone reliably in, say, an IQ test, only means you're superior when it comes to IQ tests. What about musicology, philosophy, programming, creative writing, culture... ? Most of these can't even be fully evaluated objectively and yet they involve the intellect to some degree.

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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #133 on: November 15, 2008, 05:18:31 PM »
Massive differences can easily be noted. Just take a look around you, and you will find plenty.
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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #134 on: November 15, 2008, 05:58:24 PM »
I find people who are pretentious and believe they are better and know better than everyone else to be idiotic. 

Intelligence is always doubting oneself, according to me, to be able to criticize yourself and your opinions continually so that you can move on to the next step.

Believing your always right and better than everyone else would then be the epitome of stupidity, as it would make one stagnant and un-evolving, regardless of his starting point.

Might want to think on that sunic.

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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #135 on: November 15, 2008, 06:04:55 PM »
State that which you believe with conviction with the strength of that conviction; but judge, and prepare to be judged.

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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #136 on: November 16, 2008, 04:45:37 AM »
Least Favorite Parts
1: Player distraction.  Be it sleeping, talking, eating, or paying attention to a portable game system, I prefer sessions where everyone is continually actively involved.

2: Game cancellation.  I am loyal to D&D and I understand that the DM may be on vacation or his house may have burned down, but becoming a D&D player or DM is a serious commitment.  (The only campaign in which I played that lasted longer than 6 sessions or that didn't end in the party killing me was when I DMed.  The only campaign that I finished was one I DMed.  Oi.)

3: Administrative stuff.  Optimizing my character before entering play or between sessions is often a thrill; trying to find a certain rule or spell is annoying.

4: Players 'correcting' the DM when the players are wrong.
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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #137 on: November 16, 2008, 10:49:16 AM »
I find people who are pretentious and believe they are better and know better than everyone else to be idiotic. 

Intelligence is always doubting oneself, according to me, to be able to criticize yourself and your opinions continually so that you can move on to the next step.

Believing your always right and better than everyone else would then be the epitome of stupidity, as it would make one stagnant and un-evolving, regardless of his starting point.

Might want to think on that sunic.

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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #138 on: November 16, 2008, 02:44:51 PM »
Care to elaborate.

And noticed how I insist on saying that this is only MY opinion, I am the only one entitled to it.  I do not say ''this is the absolute truth, you must heed it because I am superior''

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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #139 on: November 16, 2008, 03:07:36 PM »
Sure. You are presuming I came to this conclusion suddenly and based upon no evidence, or perhaps even in spite of solid evidence to the contrary. What actually happens is either the target proves themselves an idiot beyond all doubt via dozens or even hundreds of tests before being disregarded as such, and they expend their allowance in the first few days. Week, tops. When faced with such overwhelming evidence, the only possible reason to deny it is active self delusion.

No one said anything about always right. Higher accuracy was implied, but better than shit =/= perfect. No one said better than everyone else either. Most individuals can be automatically dismissed as fucktards. The rest can potentially be learned from. Hell, even the fucktards occasionally get lucky. Point is your betters exist no matter what, but if you're good at what you do they exist in far lower quantities then if you are a faceless member of the incompetent ranks.

My stance is to learn from my betters to scale the ladder of rank, watching the others for 'lucky shots' where they say something worth learning despite their lower overall competence because natural 20s do happen, using the filter granted by competence to block out the false and/or bullshit ideas so as to avoid tainting myself.

The stance you are claiming me to have is that I am better than everyone else, always right, and incapable of improving.

Ironic bit is that most of the ones that fall under that idiot category and are summarily dismissed? They're the ones that won't learn (not to be confused with can't) and therefore fall under that stagnant and unevolving category.
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Sunic may be more abrasive than sandpaper coated in chainsaws (not that its a bad thing, he really does know what he's talking about), but just posting in this thread without warning and telling him he's an asshole which, if you knew his past experiences on WotC and Paizo is flat-out uncalled for. Never mind the insults (which are clearly 4Chan-level childish). You say people like Sunic are the bane of the internet? Try looking at your own post and telling me you are better than him.

Here's a fun fact: You aren't. By a few leagues.
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