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Re: Rebalancing Compendium [Rebalancing 3.5]
« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2008, 08:20:29 PM »
A couple glitches and/or thoughts:

With the Rage-Haste thing:
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At 20th level, the barbarian can gain the benifit as long as he likes.
  This is unclear.  I think you meant to say "At 20th level, the barbarian can gain the benefit as many times as he likes."  If not, you should be more clear about the fact that the ability lasts the whole rage... right now it's very unclear.  Also, note the spelling of benefit.

Fighters:  REALLY should have Knowledge History.  It's knowledge of wars and warfare and military tactics!  If Fighters are the generic soldier class, they need this one.  Also, Sense Motive opposes bluff in combat, so that's something to consider.

Also, I totally forgot when I suggested this ability, but Battlefield Recon should apply to Strategic Advantage checks in military situations.  It just makes sense.  See Heroes of Battle.

Swashbuckler ACF:  If Art of War moves to fifth level, does that mean the bonus goes up every 5 levels?  As written, it's still every three levels, which is sort of weird considering when you get it.  Also, does Daring Outlaw still exist (if so, damn, it's got a lot of kick now, especially with sneak attack being upgraded).

Rogue Sneak Attack:  Does this change also apply to CA Ninjas, Scouts, Rokugan Ninjas, etc?

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Great Fortitude
- You gain a +2 bonus on Fortitude saves.  Instead of rolling one save, you may roll two dice and pick the higher of the two results.  You may do this one time day plus one for every three character levels (round down).

It's unclear whether the last scentance applies to the first or not.  Obviously they can only do the double save thing X times per day, but what about the +2?

Two Weapon Parry, as written, does not require holding two weapons, nor is it clear whether you take the -2 to to hit for wielding two weapons.  It just says you forgo the extra attacks, but if you're not even wielding the other weapon, you could say that means you're forgoing them.  And if you wield a greatsword and armor spikes and use the ability, do you take a -2 to hit for dual wielding or no?  This is not clear right now.

That said, I really like how this is turning out.

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Re: Rebalancing Compendium [Rebalancing 3.5]
« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2008, 09:20:56 PM »
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With the Rage-Haste thing:

This is unclear.  I think you meant to say "At 20th level, the barbarian can gain the benefit as many times as he likes."  If not, you should be more clear about the fact that the ability lasts the whole rage... right now it's very unclear.  Also, note the spelling of benefit.
Basically, what I was thinking is that Haste takes a swift action to activate.  At 12th level and beyond, the barbarian can Haste for more than one round, which gives two options:
1) Haste two (or more) rounds consecutively (one swift action to activate).
2) Split the Haste on different rounds when needed, but use a swift action to activate each time.

At 20th level, the duration of the Haste ability is limited only by the rage.


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Fighters:  REALLY should have Knowledge History.  It's knowledge of wars and warfare and military tactics!  If Fighters are the generic soldier class, they need this one.  Also, Sense Motive opposes bluff in combat, so that's something to consider.
Yeah, for some reason I thought I had that in there too.  I may have had it in an older version and left it out during some copy-paste.


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Also, I totally forgot when I suggested this ability, but Battlefield Recon should apply to Strategic Advantage checks in military situations.  It just makes sense.  See Heroes of Battle.
I haven't seen Heroes of battle.  Is Strategic Advantage a new rule in there?


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Swashbuckler ACF:  If Art of War moves to fifth level, does that mean the bonus goes up every 5 levels?  As written, it's still every three levels, which is sort of weird considering when you get it.  Also, does Daring Outlaw still exist (if so, damn, it's got a lot of kick now, especially with sneak attack being upgraded).
I think it should still be every three levels, but pushed back two (5, 8, 11... instead of 3, 6, 9...).  As for Daring Outlaw, I haven't given that much thought.  I guess we don't really need it anymore.  Failing that, the prereq could be increased enough to force the PC to give up many fighter(swashbuckler) levels.  For now I'd say drop it.


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Rogue Sneak Attack:  Does this change also apply to CA Ninjas, Scouts, Rokugan Ninjas, etc?
I was just thinking about this last weekend.  I think it should apply to Sudden Strike and Scirmish as well.  Also, I was thinking about creating a feat that would allow for full (instead of half) precision damage agaisnt creatures immune to crits.  I don't think it's that over powered.  Thoughts?


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It's unclear whether the last scentance applies to the first or not.  Obviously they can only do the double save thing X times per day, but what about the +2?
The +2 is constant.  The reroll is X per day.


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Two Weapon Parry, as written, does not require holding two weapons, nor is it clear whether you take the -2 to to hit for wielding two weapons.  It just says you forgo the extra attacks, but if you're not even wielding the other weapon, you could say that means you're forgoing them.  And if you wield a greatsword and armor spikes and use the ability, do you take a -2 to hit for dual wielding or no?  This is not clear right now.
Good point.  I would say that you need to take the -2 penalty, but you wouldn't get the extra attack(s), and you need use a weapon to parry (i.e. be holding a weapon in the hand that is not attacking).  Perhaps Improved Unarmed Strike would allow this to be done with an empty hand.  I wouldn't allow it with armor spikes.


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That said, I really like how this is turning out.

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Thanks for the input.  This is why I like to have a few extra sets of eyes looking at these things.  After I write something, I have a tendancy to read what I want to see and not what's there.

I'll try to get these things updated soon.
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Re: Rebalancing Compendium [Rebalancing 3.5]
« Reply #42 on: December 15, 2008, 10:08:08 PM »
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With the Rage-Haste thing:

This is unclear.  I think you meant to say "At 20th level, the barbarian can gain the benefit as many times as he likes."  If not, you should be more clear about the fact that the ability lasts the whole rage... right now it's very unclear.  Also, note the spelling of benefit.
Basically, what I was thinking is that Haste takes a swift action to activate.  At 12th level and beyond, the barbarian can Haste for more than one round, which gives two options:
1) Haste two (or more) rounds consecutively (one swift action to activate).
2) Split the Haste on different rounds when needed, but use a swift action to activate each time.

At 20th level, the duration of the Haste ability is limited only by the rage.

In that case, it needs to be clarified.  Right now, it's quite unclear for 20th level.

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I haven't seen Heroes of battle.  Is Strategic Advantage a new rule in there?

Yes.  Basically, make a skill check when planning out your battle strategy before a major military engagement, if you beat a DC 20 then you get a bonus towards who is considered to have won the battle once the battle is actually fought.  One of the skill checks you can make is a knowledge check relevant to the type of creature you're fighting... essentially, you're seeing if you know their battle tactics well enough to gain an advantage.  Knowledge History to know about appropriate military tactics is another one, by the way.  As you can see, Battlefield Recon giving its bonus to that makes a ton of sense, and makes high level Fighters as generals actually reasonable since they'd almost always pass two Strategic Advantage checks... one for the creatures they are fighting, and one for knowing the appropriate military tactics.

It only applies to large scale battles... the idea is that the PCs help plan the overall strategy, then they fight some special mission during the larger battle and at the end of the day the DM takes into account their contributions in battle strategy and whatever their mission was and determines who wins the fight.  So if you had a Fighter general, he could gain two Strategic Advantages, and then during the fight he could run in there and hack some fools up or something.

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I think it should still be every three levels, but pushed back two (5, 8, 11... instead of 3, 6, 9...).

Then you'll have to clarify that, because it doesn't say that right now.

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  As for Daring Outlaw, I haven't given that much thought.  I guess we don't really need it anymore.  Failing that, the prereq could be increased enough to force the PC to give up many fighter(swashbuckler) levels.  For now I'd say drop it.

Then again, you'd have to say that.

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I was just thinking about this last weekend.  I think it should apply to Sudden Strike and Scirmish as well.  Also, I was thinking about creating a feat that would allow for full (instead of half) precision damage agaisnt creatures immune to crits.  I don't think it's that over powered.  Thoughts?

I agree, it makes plenty of sense.  You should put it in there.

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The +2 is constant.  The reroll is X per day.

I thought that might be the idea, if so it should be clarified.

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Good point.  I would say that you need to take the -2 penalty, but you wouldn't get the extra attack(s), and you need use a weapon to parry (i.e. be holding a weapon in the hand that is not attacking).  Perhaps Improved Unarmed Strike would allow this to be done with an empty hand.  I wouldn't allow it with armor spikes.

Again, you'd need to clarify this.

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Thanks for the input.  This is why I like to have a few extra sets of eyes looking at these things.  After I write something, I have a tendancy to read what I want to see and not what's there.

All designers do that!  That's why we have playtesters and such.  Good luck with it!

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Re: Rebalancing Compendium [Rebalancing 3.5]
« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2008, 10:21:43 PM »
Well, I'll try to update the relavent posts when I get a chance.  It might not be up until the morning...

Thanks again though.
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Re: Rebalancing Compendium [Rebalancing 3.5]
« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2008, 06:00:32 AM »
RE: the feat to grant full sneak attack vs resistant foes
I say you could, but key it to specific sources of immunity.
Undead, constructs, oozes(?), etc
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Re: Rebalancing Compendium [Rebalancing 3.5]
« Reply #45 on: December 16, 2008, 03:07:39 PM »
Okay, I clarified all the things JaronK mentioned.

Also, I did already have Knowledge(History) listed for the fighter.  I was pretty sure it was in there, but it was good to double check.
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It is a shame stupidity isn't painful.
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Totally true.  Historians believe that most past civilizations would have endured for centuries longer if they had successfully determined Batman's alignment.
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Why are so many posts on the board the equivalent of " Dear Dr. Crotch, I keep punching myself in the crotch, and my groin hurts... what should I do? How can I make my groin stop hurting?"
Quote from: CryoSilver
I suggest carving "Don't be a dick" into him with a knife.  A dull, rusty knife.  A dull, rusty, bent, flaming knife.
Quote from: Seerow
Fluffy: It's over Steve! I've got the high ground!
Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: ****
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I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet.
Quote from: CryoSilver
When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!"
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Re: Rebalancing Compendium [Rebalancing 3.5]
« Reply #46 on: December 16, 2008, 10:53:45 PM »
Rage should last 5 + con modifier now since the extra points of con are gone. Basically by removing that bonus it achieved that rages all last 2 rounds shorter than normal. So yeah 5 rounds +con which is what the original rage would last always.
What are we doing about prc's?
I'm going to go work on the hexblade soon.

Lastly I think after spending the last 10 days embroilded in conversations about it... the psiwar should be granted more power points. 2 more pp per level, starting at level 1. This allows the psiwar to be solidly tier 3. As opponsed to scraping along the bottom of tier 3 as so many have implied. I thought a lot about it Measured it out a bit. Its a resonable add neting 40pp through your whole life. Not unbalancing in the least and still fufuling the same role exactly.
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Re: Rebalancing Compendium [Rebalancing 3.5]
« Reply #47 on: December 16, 2008, 11:01:55 PM »
Rage should last 5 + con modifier now since the extra points of con are gone. Basically by removing that bonus it achieved that rages all last 2 rounds shorter than normal. So yeah 5 rounds +con which is what the original rage would last always.
Good point.  The thought occured to me, but it got lost in everything else.


What are we doing about prc's?
Possibly.  I was going to leave those until near "the end" mainly due to the vast number of them, and that they are (somewhat) optional.  I think starting on core PrCs and some poplular Complete sieries PrCs would make the most sense.


I'm going to go work on the hexblade soon.
Yeah, in the old thread, I had a half-assed hexblade fix.  I too would like to revisit this.


Lastly I think after spending the last 10 days embroilded in conversations about it... the psiwar should be granted more power points. 2 more pp per level, starting at level 1. This allows the psiwar to be solidly tier 3. As opponsed to scraping along the bottom of tier 3 as so many have implied. I thought a lot about it Measured it out a bit. Its a resonable add neting 40pp through your whole life. Not unbalancing in the least and still fufuling the same role exactly.
That's something to look into.  I wanted a good discussion on psionics, but it's always been a minor topic.  I did get a bit discussed on the soulknife and wilder.
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Quote from: Cafiend
It is a shame stupidity isn't painful.
Quote from: StormKnight
Totally true.  Historians believe that most past civilizations would have endured for centuries longer if they had successfully determined Batman's alignment.
Quote from: Grand Theft Otto
Why are so many posts on the board the equivalent of " Dear Dr. Crotch, I keep punching myself in the crotch, and my groin hurts... what should I do? How can I make my groin stop hurting?"
Quote from: CryoSilver
I suggest carving "Don't be a dick" into him with a knife.  A dull, rusty knife.  A dull, rusty, bent, flaming knife.
Quote from: Seerow
Fluffy: It's over Steve! I've got the high ground!
Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: ****
Quote from: claypigeons
I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet.
Quote from: CryoSilver
When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!"
Quote from: Orville_Oaksong
Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
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Re: Rebalancing Compendium [Rebalancing 3.5]
« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2008, 11:16:32 PM »
I saw you eventually took my advice and scrapped soulknife for the acf soulbound weapon, so I was thinking the psi-talk had already happend.
I've been a pretty vocal protagonist for psiwars being tier 3. Inevitabley every argument against them says "They dont' have enough pp!" and thus aren't good... well they are good, however they are not quite as good as T.O.B classes, just better than all the tier 4 classes and very very close to the bard. As a power boost 40 extra points in the course of 20 levels is not that signifigant... However at level 1 being able to manifest your power a couple more times makes things seem more equal vs the guys with stances and renewable manuevers.
Basically just at 2 to the the existing pp progression. It only pushes them to 167 points. thats not infringing anyw where as the psion/wilder has 343.
Thats my argument and I digress...
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Re: Rebalancing Compendium [Rebalancing 3.5]
« Reply #49 on: December 17, 2008, 01:52:21 AM »
RE: the feat to grant full sneak attack vs resistant foes
I say you could, but key it to specific sources of immunity.
Undead, constructs, oozes(?), etc

I disagree with this.  Feats should never be that situational.  Imagine you're in a campaign, and the goal is to defeat the lich king's minions.  So you take the feat to make sneak attack work fully on undead.  Now you win, slaying the king, and your next enemy is a mad Wizard who's sending constructs and elementals at you.  That would be really annoying.

So, make it apply to everyone.  10d6 damage isn't THAT incredible.

@Robby:  Not sure how I missed Know (History) the first time.  But hey, why is Nobility and Royalty on the list?  That seems more of a knightly skill, not a soldiery skill.  More the Paladin/Crusader's thing.

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Re: Rebalancing Compendium [Rebalancing 3.5]
« Reply #50 on: December 17, 2008, 02:45:27 AM »
I disagree with this.  Feats should never be that situational.  Imagine you're in a campaign, and the goal is to defeat the lich king's minions.  So you take the feat to make sneak attack work fully on undead.  Now you win, slaying the king, and your next enemy is a mad Wizard who's sending constructs and elementals at you.  That would be really annoying.

So, make it apply to everyone.  10d6 damage isn't THAT incredible.
Good point.

How do you feel about the Knowledge suggestion?  If we dropped the requirement to three ranks of the appropriate Knowledge skill, without multiclassing, the rogue could pick that up for 3 skill points by level three per creature type under the new cross-class skill rules.  I think it's a good comprimise, and it works well thematically in that the rogue learns about a type of creature (undead - religion, elementals - planes, etc...) and is able to fully sneak attack it.


@Robby:  Not sure how I missed Know (History) the first time.  But hey, why is Nobility and Royalty on the list?  That seems more of a knightly skill, not a soldiery skill.  More the Paladin/Crusader's thing.
Well, I wasn't planning on keeping the knight per se.  I kind of figured the fighter could be the knight.

I saw you eventually took my advice and scrapped soulknife for the acf soulbound weapon, so I was thinking the psi-talk had already happend.
I've been a pretty vocal protagonist for psiwars being tier 3. Inevitabley every argument against them says "They dont' have enough pp!" and thus aren't good... well they are good, however they are not quite as good as T.O.B classes, just better than all the tier 4 classes and very very close to the bard. As a power boost 40 extra points in the course of 20 levels is not that signifigant... However at level 1 being able to manifest your power a couple more times makes things seem more equal vs the guys with stances and renewable manuevers.
Basically just at 2 to the the existing pp progression. It only pushes them to 167 points. thats not infringing anyw where as the psion/wilder has 343.
Thats my argument and I digress...
So you're suggesting two extra PP per level?
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Quotes
[spoiler]
Quote from: Cafiend
It is a shame stupidity isn't painful.
Quote from: StormKnight
Totally true.  Historians believe that most past civilizations would have endured for centuries longer if they had successfully determined Batman's alignment.
Quote from: Grand Theft Otto
Why are so many posts on the board the equivalent of " Dear Dr. Crotch, I keep punching myself in the crotch, and my groin hurts... what should I do? How can I make my groin stop hurting?"
Quote from: CryoSilver
I suggest carving "Don't be a dick" into him with a knife.  A dull, rusty knife.  A dull, rusty, bent, flaming knife.
Quote from: Seerow
Fluffy: It's over Steve! I've got the high ground!
Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: ****
Quote from: claypigeons
I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet.
Quote from: CryoSilver
When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!"
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Re: Rebalancing Compendium [Rebalancing 3.5]
« Reply #51 on: December 17, 2008, 03:35:25 AM »
The Knowledge thing would make sense... just have the general feat only work on critters if you have three ranks in the right knowledge skill.  That makes a Factotum dip even more attractive to Rogues, but whatever.

And shouldn't the Paladin and Crusader be the knight classes, even if you drop the Knight?  Fighters still don't work well as knights, since I'd expect Diplomacy on their list if that were the case.  I mean, they can do it, but it's not really the class description.

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Re: Core Classes
« Reply #52 on: December 17, 2008, 04:15:51 PM »
Hehe, looking through a bunch of this may cause and itch to run a new game for my group to test some of the change ideas :)
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Re: Rebalancing Compendium [Rebalancing 3.5]
« Reply #53 on: December 17, 2008, 10:19:27 PM »
Thing is we don't really need a "Knight" class. Nor would I think that the "knight" can be hinged upon "diplomacy" .
We should get away from this line of thinking, since we'll never be able to come to an agreement on exactly what a "Knight" generically speaking is.
A knight at least in the minds of the people everywhere is a guy in fullplate (sometimes on a horse) who has some kind of moral code.
Now without getting into that debate...
I believe grand terms like "knight" and "Samurai" are archtypes and shouldn't be planned for in the way of "Shouldn't the paladins and crusaders be the Knights?" cause really d20 being level based isn't set up that way.
Let us all remeber Miko. OotS. Samurai = Monk, Paladin.
Thing is the fighter can be what ever he wants.
For that matter there'll be Warblade and hexblade "Knights" cause theres no real desriptor that aplicably defines it.
The fighter I would think works great as a knight with all the feats and parry and the such. I don't know... I just don't know how to quantify it.

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The knowledge idea is cool . . .
Though I think knowledge should no Longer be Trained only. Hmm... yes that ridiculous.
Knowledge has to be a freely cross classable skill.
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Re: Rebalancing Compendium [Rebalancing 3.5]
« Reply #54 on: December 20, 2008, 02:52:23 AM »
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At 20th level you have reached a level of mental, spritual, and physical perfection. Some call it "transcendance", or "enlightenment" but ultmately you have reached a level of "oneness" with the universe that has allowed you to shed your mortal constraints. This manifests in a variety of ways.
Your type changes to:Outsider (Lawful)
You are no longer on the path, but you are instead of the path.
You are now immortal you have no maximum age limits and will not die due to the effects of aging also, you are forevermore treated as an outsider rather than as a humanoid (or whatever the monk’s creature type was) for the purpose of spells and magical effects.. If subjected to any dismissal effect it will simply move you to the ethereal plane. (which you can return from at your leisure barring dimensional locking effects.)
Unlike other outsiders, the monk can still be brought back from the dead as if still a member of the previous creature type
Dr 10/Chaotic and silver.
Enlightend One
You may radiate an immaculate light to a range of 60ft at will. This grants you total concealment and lasts 4 rounds. This is a visual effect that is not bypassed by true seeing. However, creatures who do not use sight (oozes and the such) are unaffected by this power This effect may only be dispelled by a  darkness spell of 7th level or higher. You may use this ability each day a number or times equal to your wisdom modifier.

Awe of perfection: You are under the permanent effects of a Sanctuary spell DC = 10 + monk level + wisdom
Constructs, Elementals, Mindless undead, and other outsiders are immune to this effect, or any other creature that does not have an age maximum age limit (or that is defined as immortal) are immune to this effect. (this does however affect exceptionally long lived creatures Dragons, elves, elan etc...
Immunity to Magic (Ex)
You are immune to any spell or spell-like ability that allows spell resistance. Though you may supress this ability as a full round action, and the supression lasts for one round (untill just before your next turn.) This replaces the dimond soul ability
Walk the path: You may plane shift (as the spell) twice perday as a supernatural ability. You are immune to the harmful enviormnetal effects (temperature extremes, lack of oxygen) This ability takes one full round to use.
I think I could tighten the wording down on this a bit more...
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Re: Rebalancing Compendium [Rebalancing 3.5]
« Reply #55 on: December 20, 2008, 09:53:24 PM »
I still think Battlefield Recon should apply to all Strategic Advantage checks, or at least Knowledge checks to gain Strategic Advantages.  It just makes sense.

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Re: Rebalancing Compendium [Rebalancing 3.5]
« Reply #56 on: December 20, 2008, 11:09:23 PM »
I don't have Heroes of Battle, but I'll trust your judgement on this one.  No one else seems to be objecting to it.
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Re: Rebalancing Compendium [Rebalancing 3.5]
« Reply #57 on: December 21, 2008, 12:04:39 AM »
In that case, the wording should be something like "You also gain this bonus on all skill checks to gain a Strategic Advantage in planning for a large battle."

Also, something I noticed.  Fighters are one of the only classes that don't get Profession as a class skill.  But the skill to operate a siege weapon?  Profession (Siege Engineer).   Let's put Profession on the list.  Seriously.  Fighters being one of the few classes who can't fire a catapult is insane.

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Re: Rebalancing Compendium [Rebalancing 3.5]
« Reply #58 on: December 21, 2008, 04:53:27 AM »
Ok, not having Profession as a class skill is ridiculous, lets abolish that for everyone? No class forbids you from having a trade.
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Re: Rebalancing Compendium [Rebalancing 3.5]
« Reply #59 on: December 21, 2008, 06:58:10 AM »
I dunno, I buy it for Barbarians.  A pure class Barbarian... it kinda makes sense.  Also, War Hulks and Frenzied Berserkers.  Anyone else though?  Forget it.

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