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Cloistered Cleric...don't give up your Knowledge!!!
« on: September 27, 2008, 04:23:14 PM »
Was just looking at making a Cloistered cleric and was going to give up Knowledge Domain for the Devotion and noticed that it would leave me with only TWO class skills, Decipher Script and Speak language.  Only other skills they get are Knowledges and all them are gotten through the domain!

No Concentration, no Spellcraft, no crafts or professions as per standard cleric.

Guess, I'll have to buy Knowledge Devotion the old fashioned way.
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Re: Cloistered Cleric...don't give up your Knowledge!!!
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2008, 04:29:21 PM »
Um. No.  No. No.  Should I say it a few more times?

The variants listed in Unearthed Arcana are either A) In addition to the normal class or B) in replacement of a certain class feature. It specifically mentions what you give up in that class. Cloistered Clerics do NOT give up any class skills. They gain those two additional class skills and the Knowledge Domain. Feel free to give it up for Knowledge Devotion. You'll still have the standard cleric class skills.
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Re: Cloistered Cleric...don't give up your Knowledge!!!
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2008, 05:05:04 PM »
Ah, much better.  Thanks for the correction.  I've went back and read the intro portion now that explains.   :blush
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Re: Cloistered Cleric...don't give up your Knowledge!!!
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2008, 05:09:41 PM »
No problem. :D  Those pesky little side notes can get you anytime.
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Re: Cloistered Cleric...don't give up your Knowledge!!!
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2008, 08:19:44 PM »
Well if you do lose your Knowledge skills, doesn't that defeat the point of Devotion anyways?
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Re: Cloistered Cleric...don't give up your Knowledge!!!
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2008, 08:27:54 PM »
Well if you do lose your Knowledge skills, doesn't that defeat the point of Devotion anyways?
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Re: Cloistered Cleric...don't give up your Knowledge!!!
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2008, 08:34:57 PM »
Aside from dips, how would you do that? There's about 5 that matter for that, and Devotion only gives 1 back.
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Sunic may be more abrasive than sandpaper coated in chainsaws (not that its a bad thing, he really does know what he's talking about), but just posting in this thread without warning and telling him he's an asshole which, if you knew his past experiences on WotC and Paizo is flat-out uncalled for. Never mind the insults (which are clearly 4Chan-level childish). You say people like Sunic are the bane of the internet? Try looking at your own post and telling me you are better than him.

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Re: Cloistered Cleric...don't give up your Knowledge!!!
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2008, 08:41:05 PM »
Aside from dips, how would you do that? There's about 5 that matter for that, and Devotion only gives 1 back.
Religion and planes are already cleric class skills.  Add in devotion and you get 3/5.  Can't be that hard to pick up two more knowledgeds.  Hell, just cross class it.  Clerics get fucking LORE OF THE GODS to fuel K. Dev.
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Re: Cloistered Cleric...don't give up your Knowledge!!!
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2008, 08:42:38 PM »
Arcana is also cleric class skill. You only need Dungeoneering and Nature.

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Re: Cloistered Cleric...don't give up your Knowledge!!!
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2008, 08:43:28 PM »
Oops, how did I forget that? *facepaws*
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Re: Cloistered Cleric...don't give up your Knowledge!!!
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2008, 08:44:25 PM »
Too much chasing tail, Sunic ;)

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Re: Cloistered Cleric...don't give up your Knowledge!!!
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2008, 08:50:19 PM »
Too much chasing tail, Sunic ;)

*turns around, sees multiple tails* What? *runs in circles* I don't know what you're talking about!

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Sunic may be more abrasive than sandpaper coated in chainsaws (not that its a bad thing, he really does know what he's talking about), but just posting in this thread without warning and telling him he's an asshole which, if you knew his past experiences on WotC and Paizo is flat-out uncalled for. Never mind the insults (which are clearly 4Chan-level childish). You say people like Sunic are the bane of the internet? Try looking at your own post and telling me you are better than him.

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Re: Cloistered Cleric...don't give up your Knowledge!!!
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2008, 10:42:35 PM »
AJ&Uber got it right, Arcana, History, Religion, and Planes are all cleric base, that's 3 out of 5 that are worthwhile and Devotion grants you another 1. That's 4/5. Cross-class or dip with Able learner are both viable options. :P

Also, how are you running in circles? Wouldn't multiple tails confuse you on which way to run? ;)
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Re: Cloistered Cleric...don't give up your Knowledge!!!
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2008, 08:27:08 AM »
The Educated feat gives all Knowledge skills as class skills IIRC :)
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Re: Cloistered Cleric...don't give up your Knowledge!!!
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2008, 11:03:52 AM »
It's a paradox. I'm both spinning and not spinning, creating a void that sends everyone back to 12,000 B.C. Or just destroying everything with a black hole. Either way.
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Sunic may be more abrasive than sandpaper coated in chainsaws (not that its a bad thing, he really does know what he's talking about), but just posting in this thread without warning and telling him he's an asshole which, if you knew his past experiences on WotC and Paizo is flat-out uncalled for. Never mind the insults (which are clearly 4Chan-level childish). You say people like Sunic are the bane of the internet? Try looking at your own post and telling me you are better than him.

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Re: Cloistered Cleric...don't give up your Knowledge!!!
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2008, 06:16:45 AM »
Go with Nature unless you're in an FR Underdark campaign (in which case you go Dungeoneering).  Also, remember that while Knowledge (local) might only affect Humanoids, Humanoids are arguably the most dangerous enemies your DM can throw at you.

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Re: Cloistered Cleric...don't give up your Knowledge!!!
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2008, 09:13:33 AM »
Depends. Humanoid casters yes. Anything else is free experience and dragon horde quality treasure.
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Sunic may be more abrasive than sandpaper coated in chainsaws (not that its a bad thing, he really does know what he's talking about), but just posting in this thread without warning and telling him he's an asshole which, if you knew his past experiences on WotC and Paizo is flat-out uncalled for. Never mind the insults (which are clearly 4Chan-level childish). You say people like Sunic are the bane of the internet? Try looking at your own post and telling me you are better than him.

Here's a fun fact: You aren't. By a few leagues.
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Re: Cloistered Cleric...don't give up your Knowledge!!!
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2008, 09:53:09 PM »
The animal and plant domains get you knowledge (nature) so you could use knowledge devotion for knowledge (dungeoneering) if you had one of those domains

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Re: Cloistered Cleric...don't give up your Knowledge!!!
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2008, 04:39:01 AM »
Both of which are, frankly, terrible domains otherwise.  Aside from Entangle, Summon Nature's Ally IV and Shapechage, there's barely a good spell between them.

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Re: Cloistered Cleric...don't give up your Knowledge!!!
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2008, 09:11:32 AM »
Yeah, except Shapechange is Shapechange. Need I say more? :P
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[spoiler]
Sunic may be more abrasive than sandpaper coated in chainsaws (not that its a bad thing, he really does know what he's talking about), but just posting in this thread without warning and telling him he's an asshole which, if you knew his past experiences on WotC and Paizo is flat-out uncalled for. Never mind the insults (which are clearly 4Chan-level childish). You say people like Sunic are the bane of the internet? Try looking at your own post and telling me you are better than him.

Here's a fun fact: You aren't. By a few leagues.
[/spoiler]