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Arcane-surge

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Re: Is this right?
« Reply #40 on: August 25, 2008, 12:20:02 AM »
Still, Delay Spell is a good idea. Delay for a few rounds, then just cast Gaseous Form. Sure, things will still hit you, but it won't matter. Doesn't even require Extraordinary Spell Aim.
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Re: Is this right?
« Reply #41 on: August 25, 2008, 12:40:09 AM »
Gaseous Form won't save you from taking cold damage or damage from the ejection, so you will need ExSpellAim.

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Re: Is this right?
« Reply #42 on: August 25, 2008, 12:43:58 AM »
I wonder if you could use those rings that makes someone immune to another person's spells, but making yourself immune to your own spells.

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Re: Is this right?
« Reply #43 on: August 25, 2008, 12:52:55 AM »
Gaseous Form won't save you from taking cold damage or damage from the ejection, so you will need ExSpellAim.

I think Arcane was suggesting it for use in conjunction with Extraordinary Spell Aim as a way to avoid damage from all the bodies flying towards you (since the Extraoardinary Spell Aim creates a close edge for expulsion in the center of the area for many of the creatures).
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Re: Is this right?
« Reply #44 on: August 25, 2008, 12:56:00 AM »
No, since he explicitly states that we won't need ExSpellAim.

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Re: Is this right?
« Reply #45 on: August 25, 2008, 01:54:46 AM »
I did, because I was glaringly wrong. Thanks for the vote of confidence though, Nox. But with it, and gaseous form, one should be pretty well protected from any flying stuff. Another way would be to buff your saves through some spells that specify "Next saving throw" or "One saving throw," because they're usually better than stuff that lasts for a while, and then use Ruin Delver's Fortune to gain evasion. Pretty much autopass the reflex save, take no damage, and create no edges with Extraordinary Spell Aim. I think that's a little more viable than my last idea, though it's definitely more of an investment.
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Re: Is this right?
« Reply #46 on: August 25, 2008, 02:20:40 AM »
No, since he explicitly states that we won't need ExSpellAim.

Yeah, I missed that last sentence. My attention span is very short these days.
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Re: Is this right?
« Reply #47 on: August 25, 2008, 03:09:27 AM »
Doesn't work... In DnD, action and resolution is instantaneous. There are no interrupts. Even ToB's counters actually take place before the enemy's attack.
Disrupting spellcasting with an AoO sure seems like an interrupt to me...
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I can word the Contingency to trigger on whatever I want. It could be "whenever guys start flying towards me". It doesn't have to be worded (stupidly) so it goes off before the spellcasting is finished.

You also seemed to be arguing that it works the exact opposite way earlier (you have to be hit first, because it can't know "intent"). Which is it?
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Re: Is this right?
« Reply #48 on: August 25, 2008, 04:20:55 AM »
Read again, Phae. I said I ran into people that said that. I didn't say I agree with it.

Disrupting spellcasting with an AoO is done just before. All AoO happen just before the action. That is why you can't lockdown a prone character with just trips.

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Re: Is this right?
« Reply #49 on: August 25, 2008, 02:55:26 PM »
Read again, Phae. I said I ran into people that said that. I didn't say I agree with it.

Disrupting spellcasting with an AoO is done just before. All AoO happen just before the action. That is why you can't lockdown a prone character with just trips.
They why do they lose the spell? If it happens before, they shouldn't lose the spell, because they never started to cast it.
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Re: Is this right?
« Reply #50 on: August 25, 2008, 06:19:45 PM »
How do I know? Ask WotC. I didn't make the rules. I just reiterate them.

End of the day, it just does. Just like how you can turn bat crap into fiery doom. Deal.

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Re: Is this right?
« Reply #51 on: August 25, 2008, 06:45:43 PM »
It's because the spell hasn't been cast yet, but you're still casting the spell.  You're partially through the motions, and then get hit (thus losing the spell) before you can actually cast it.
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Re: Is this right?
« Reply #52 on: August 25, 2008, 06:47:11 PM »
Actually, that contradicts the whole "no interrupt" rule that WotC has going. It definitely contradicts the rule that AoOs happen before the action that triggers them.

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Re: Is this right?
« Reply #53 on: August 25, 2008, 07:16:41 PM »
Which is why it is actually an interupt, despite their bullshit explaination of why it isn't.
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Re: Is this right?
« Reply #54 on: August 25, 2008, 07:33:45 PM »
As I said. Talk to WotC. It's their rule. Getting angry at it here does nothing.

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Re: Is this right?
« Reply #55 on: August 25, 2008, 07:50:20 PM »
It's semantic nonsense. It is obviously an interupt, despite their insistence that they don't exist.
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Re: Is this right?
« Reply #56 on: August 25, 2008, 07:55:09 PM »
Once again: Talk to WotC.


As far as RAW is concerned, there are no interrupts. You don't like it? Fine. Make a house rule.
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