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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a simple answer
« Reply #1180 on: December 05, 2008, 11:44:24 PM »
In Complete Psionic p.154 under the Erudite entry it states that a character permanently loses the ability to add more powers to his unique list if an Erudite gains at least as many levels in another psionic class as the do in Erudite.

Q441A
Do this apply for psionic base classes or would it apply if I had too many levels in a psionic prestige class as well?

Q441B
If I had more than one additional psionic classes, in total more levels than Erudite but singularly less than the Erudite would I still gain unique powers?

eg. Erudite 6/Overchanneler 4/Slayer 4



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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a simple answer
« Reply #1181 on: December 06, 2008, 02:07:38 PM »
Q442: Tome of Battle has two different entries for the feat Shadow Trickster. One requires CL 1st and a Shadow Hand stance and gives +1 illusion DCs while in a Shadow Hand stance. The other requires CL 1st and a Shadow Hand maneuver and gives +2 illusion DCs while in a Shadow Hand stance. Which is correct?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a simple answer
« Reply #1182 on: December 06, 2008, 03:50:30 PM »
A 442: In cases where text and table entries conflict, generally assume the text is correct.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a simple answer
« Reply #1183 on: December 06, 2008, 04:01:07 PM »
In Complete Psionic p.154 under the Erudite entry it states that a character permanently loses the ability to add more powers to his unique list if an Erudite gains at least as many levels in another psionic class as the do in Erudite.

Q441A
Do this apply for psionic base classes or would it apply if I had too many levels in a psionic prestige class as well?

Q441B
If I had more than one additional psionic classes, in total more levels than Erudite but singularly less than the Erudite would I still gain unique powers?

eg. Erudite 6/Overchanneler 4/Slayer 4



Note: this is how I personally read it, YMMV ofcourse :)

A441A: It applies to PrC's as well.
A441B: Yes, you'd still gain them.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a simple answer
« Reply #1184 on: December 06, 2008, 07:46:26 PM »
Q443: How do craft cost reduction effects interact with stat tomes?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a simple answer
« Reply #1185 on: December 06, 2008, 07:49:54 PM »
You mean as how it interacts with crafting them?

I'd say they reduce the crafting cost as normal...

Could you elaborate on what it is you mean precisely?

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« Reply #1186 on: December 06, 2008, 07:54:39 PM »
You mean as how it interacts with crafting them?

I'd say they reduce the crafting cost as normal...

Could you elaborate on what it is you mean precisely?



Most of the XP cost from tomes seems to be coming from the Wish. But you could also use Miracle. So does that feat that reduces XP costs by 25% work here or no?

Q444: An ECL 16 character reaches level 17, takes an LA 1 template for their 17th level, then uses LA buyoff immediately. Do they have to pay 15k XP, or 16k XP?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a simple answer
« Reply #1187 on: December 06, 2008, 08:10:14 PM »
I believe the xp reduction only works as far as the crafting cost is concerned (1/25 of the gp cost, right?), it wouldn't work for any spells cast in the process with an xp cost as far as I'm concerned...

A444: You technically use LA buyback as soon as you have the template, right?
So I'd say you'd be ECL 17 as far as LA buyback is concerned (so 16K in buyback)...
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a simple answer
« Reply #1188 on: December 06, 2008, 09:10:06 PM »
In Complete Psionic p.154 under the Erudite entry it states that a character permanently loses the ability to add more powers to his unique list if an Erudite gains at least as many levels in another psionic class as the do in Erudite.

Q441A
Do this apply for psionic base classes or would it apply if I had too many levels in a psionic prestige class as well?

Q441B
If I had more than one additional psionic classes, in total more levels than Erudite but singularly less than the Erudite would I still gain unique powers?

eg. Erudite 6/Overchanneler 4/Slayer 4


A441A: Base classes, not psionic prestige classes. My precedent is in the ruling for classes that progress spellcasting. You cannot use Mystic Theurge to progress the casting of, say, Dweomerkeeper. You can only progress the casting of classes that grant spellcasting. Therefore, I would think that prestige classes would not count for that limit.

A441B: Each class is counted separately, not as a total.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a simple answer
« Reply #1189 on: December 06, 2008, 09:11:48 PM »
In Complete Psionic p.154 under the Erudite entry it states that a character permanently loses the ability to add more powers to his unique list if an Erudite gains at least as many levels in another psionic class as the do in Erudite.

Q441A
Do this apply for psionic base classes or would it apply if I had too many levels in a psionic prestige class as well?

Q441B
If I had more than one additional psionic classes, in total more levels than Erudite but singularly less than the Erudite would I still gain unique powers?

eg. Erudite 6/Overchanneler 4/Slayer 4


A441A: Base classes, not psionic prestige classes. My precedent is in the ruling for classes that progress spellcasting. You cannot use Mystic Theurge to progress the casting of, say, Dweomerkeeper. You can only progress the casting of classes that grant spellcasting. Therefore, I would think that prestige classes would not count for that limit.
Minor nitpick: what about Mystic Theurge progressing Beholder Mage and/or Ur-Priest casting?

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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a simple answer
« Reply #1190 on: December 06, 2008, 09:19:37 PM »
Those grant spellcasting. I was talking about prestige classes that progress spellcasting. The obscure prestige classes that have their own spellcasting would also work fine. But I assume that he meant Archmage, Sand Shaper, Abjurant Champion and the like.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a simple answer
« Reply #1191 on: December 06, 2008, 09:25:14 PM »
But then you really can't make a distinction between base and prestige classes, right?

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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a simple answer
« Reply #1192 on: December 06, 2008, 09:38:11 PM »
But then you really can't make a distinction between base and prestige classes, right?

Right, just between those that grant casting and those the progress it.

But the list of decent to good PrCs that grant casting is very small, and the list of decent to good PrCs that progress casting is a lot larger, so he was working under the assumption (I assume) that what was meant was ones that progressed, not granted.  ;)

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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a simple answer
« Reply #1193 on: December 06, 2008, 10:33:59 PM »
Awww, man! Looks like my second-to-last two questions were completely unanswered. Is there no simple reply to them?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a simple answer
« Reply #1194 on: December 07, 2008, 12:37:24 PM »
I believe the xp reduction only works as far as the crafting cost is concerned (1/25 of the gp cost, right?), it wouldn't work for any spells cast in the process with an xp cost as far as I'm concerned...

A444: You technically use LA buyback as soon as you have the template, right?
So I'd say you'd be ECL 17 as far as LA buyback is concerned (so 16K in buyback)...


But what if you are an Artificer? You don't have to actually cast Wish or Miracle, you just need... I believe it's a DC 37 Use Magic Device check to emulate it, which is no problem whatsoever considering take 10, and the possibility of a first level infusion granting 2 + half CL circumstance. Hell, you probably don't even need the infusion. I think Warlocks can do the same, I dunno.

As for buyback, it really only accounts for inherited templates. It doesn't explain at all what you do if you get an acquired LA 1 template at a higher level aside from that (x - 1) * 1k thing. Which if that is what it is, then the sooner the better.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a simple answer
« Reply #1195 on: December 08, 2008, 02:00:23 PM »
Q445: I realize the similar wording but by RAW, do Monkey Grip and Strongarm Bracers stack? If not please list the source and page  ;)
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« Reply #1196 on: December 08, 2008, 02:31:56 PM »
A445:
No they do not.  Both allow you to wield a weapon of one category larger than you are.  Thus if you are medium, you have two effects that allow you to wield a large weapon.  This question has been answered at least 25 times this year. :)
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« Reply #1197 on: December 09, 2008, 10:54:02 AM »
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a simple answer
« Reply #1198 on: December 09, 2008, 11:10:27 AM »
Q446: How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood.

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« Reply #1199 on: December 09, 2008, 11:52:43 AM »
Q446: How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood.
A466: Average amount of wood chucked in a given day: 264 butt cords of wood. 
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