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Rebel7284

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Dread Necromancer dip in a DMM cleric build?
« on: August 11, 2008, 03:59:47 AM »
So a neutral cleric can chose to turn undead and then dip Dread Necromancer for rebuke undead getting two pools of turning attempts.  Moreover, the way the Extra Turning feat is worded, it would add to BOTH turn attempts getting you 4 + 4 = 8 turns a feat which depending on nightstick availability may be invaluable.  This seems like a very acceptable return on investment for a DMM cleric in return for a single casting progression loss.  A Cleric 4, Dread Necromancer 1 can also easily meet the prerequisites for Dweomerkeeper which is an amazing prestige class.

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Re: Dread Necromancer dip in a DMM cleric build?
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2008, 05:17:39 AM »
I've argued the exact same thing, and made a character around it. I entered Master of Shrouds, though. DN1/Clr2/MoS10/X7 with DMM: Persisted buffs.
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Re: Dread Necromancer dip in a DMM cleric build?
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2008, 12:03:36 PM »
Undeath domain to get that extra turning there, rather than expend a feat on it as well. Sounds like a good building for using DMM.
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Re: Dread Necromancer dip in a DMM cleric build?
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2008, 12:50:29 PM »
@PhaedrusXY
Id love to see that build.Ive always loved the MoS especially your take on them. Never tried one, but that dip offers early entry,  a lot of DMM, and potential Dweomerkeeper .That is  a lot of early power , plus three things I have never tried .
Only one thing, how does it compare to one level of wizard conjuration specialists?

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Re: Dread Necromancer dip in a DMM cleric build?
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2008, 01:34:07 PM »
Undeath domain to get that extra turning there, rather than expend a feat on it as well. Sounds like a good building for using DMM.

The only problem with the undeath domain is that Dweomerkeeper requires the magic domain so Magic + Planning is probably a better entry point to go with the original idea and then probably dip Contemplative for the undeath domain later on.  With that said, if your goals are not Dweomerkeeper, hell yes for Planning and Undeath!  Fits the character perfectly.
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Re: Dread Necromancer dip in a DMM cleric build?
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2008, 02:39:15 PM »
@PhaedrusXY
Id love to see that build.Ive always loved the MoS especially your take on them. Never tried one, but that dip offers early entry,  a lot of DMM, and potential Dweomerkeeper .That is  a lot of early power , plus three things I have never tried .
Only one thing, how does it compare to one level of wizard conjuration specialists?
I never actually fleshed the build out to level 20. It was for Meyer_William's "Overpowered casters" gauntlets. I guess the most thorough treatment of it was in this MoS handbook that I never really got around to finishing.
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Re: Dread Necromancer dip in a DMM cleric build?
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2008, 07:40:38 PM »
Don't forget to start as an Azurin cleric with the MoI substitution level, which gives you that alternative turning thingy that can still be used to fuel your divine feat. Pick up the turning/rebuking later and now you have triple the turning attempts to do whatever madness you were planning.
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Re: Dread Necromancer dip in a DMM cleric build?
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2008, 11:53:13 PM »
Don't forget to start as an Azurin cleric with the MoI substitution level, which gives you that alternative turning thingy that can still be used to fuel your divine feat. Pick up the turning/rebuking later and now you have triple the turning attempts to do whatever madness you were planning.

While that's a brilliant idea for turn attempts, I am having some difficulty finding the optimal way to get turning AND rebuking due to most rebuking classes requiring evil or non-good alignment and most turning classes requiring good alignment.  The best I have found is Lawful Good Azurin Cleric 3, Church Inquisitor 2, Death Delver 1, X 1, Sacred Exorcist 1.  Many thanks to your amazing lists of stuff thread for Death Delver.  This however suffers from getting the turn attempts much later and pushing back whatever other prestige class I'd want to take.
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Re: Dread Necromancer dip in a DMM cleric build?
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2008, 12:10:18 AM »
Why Sacred Exorcist? It doesn't give you extra Turn attempts. If you are going Lawful Good, I believe the Church Inquisitor is superior in most respects.

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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2008, 12:35:48 AM »
Sacred Exorcist grants Turn Undead if you don't have it already (which is what makes it popular for non-cleric DMM builds)
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Re: Dread Necromancer dip in a DMM cleric build?
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2008, 12:36:38 AM »
Trading out turn undead for Azurin's alt class feature means I need to get it back if i want to have three turning pools.
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Re: Dread Necromancer dip in a DMM cleric build?
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2008, 12:40:37 AM »
Ah. You traded it away with Azurin. I was wondering why you needed it. Sorry, I have never done more than glance through MoI.

Question: It is Death Delver that gives you the Rebuke Undead for the third pool?

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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2008, 12:41:48 AM »
Yup.
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